Making sense of a RR graph
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vigoro

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101 posts

186 months

Sunday 20th March 2011
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I got my car put on a rolling road yesterday, and the results was a little disappointing to say the least. It is a 1.8i mk1, so should be around the 130bhp area maybe slightly under.....i got 105bhp with 85bhp at the wheels(rollers)

When it came off the guy who ran it said my afr was slightly lean and that it should be between 12.5-13 and was on 13.5

I have put the graph below for Guessed flywheel power and the AFR, if anyone could make any sense and let me know if there is a problem and what would be able to fix it i would appreciate the help a lot!


Munter

31,330 posts

265 months

Sunday 20th March 2011
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I'm not an expert. (Vixpy is if you can get his attention)

But the one thing we can see there is where the ECU stops being clever and go's into what people seem to call "open loop" after 4000RPM.

vigoro

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186 months

Sunday 20th March 2011
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I take it that is where the power stops increasing at the same rate and shallows a bit that you can see that?

The bloke who ran it yesterday also said to adjust my dizzy...............

Munter

31,330 posts

265 months

Sunday 20th March 2011
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vigoro said:
The bloke who ran it yesterday also said to adjust my dizzy...............
Ok then. Either he was joking and it wasn't his best comedy moment. Or I wouldn't believe a thing that guy said!

vigoro

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Sunday 20th March 2011
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Munter said:
Ok then. Either he was joking and it wasn't his best comedy moment. Or I wouldn't believe a thing that guy said!
Well the rest of the results of cars running that day weren't great, seemed a big variation on there. Had a DC2 integra show up 156hp instead of the 190 or so it should have. Wondering whether to ignore it and just run elsewhere next time!

Munter

31,330 posts

265 months

Sunday 20th March 2011
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Well if everybody was low I'd suggest the dyno was reading low, and there's probably not much wrong with your car. They are never perfectly accurate. Does seem quite a variation between expected and measured results.

Might be worth posting in the Engines and Drivetrain section. See if a real expert responds. hehe

snotrag

15,508 posts

235 months

Sunday 20th March 2011
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Sounds like a duff dyno maybe. And did he actually look under your bonnet? Distributor!?

That said - when did you last check your timing.
You can see at 4200rpm where the ecu goes from closed loop (is taking lambda measurements and adjusting injector duty to suit, to hold good afr) to just "chuck loads of fuel in and hope for the best" where it runs rich.

vigoro

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Sunday 20th March 2011
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Timing would have last been done when the cambelt was changed, which is around 12k miles ago now

MX-5 Lazza

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243 months

Sunday 20th March 2011
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The AFR looks about right to me. 14.7:1 when in closed loop and not going richer than 13:1 when in open loop. Check the timing - should be 10BTDC and can be adjusted to 14BTDC for as bit of extra go. Also make sure that the cam timing wasn't screwed up when the belt was changed. It's easy to get it one tooth out and there won't be much to show for it other than a bit of a drop in power.

Drop Vixpy an email and mention to him who the dyno operator was. Get his professional opinion wink

vigoro

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186 months

Sunday 20th March 2011
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I will do just that then!

Also, the graph for my flywheel power and torque is below, dont know if anything odd is showing up with the torque curve


vigoro

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Monday 21st March 2011
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I think me and howard may just have found where some power is missing......

MX-5 Lazza

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243 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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vigoro said:
I think me and howard may just have found where some power is missing......
Care to share?

vigoro

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186 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Well i have a feeling it could have been from when i didn't put the CAS back on properly after changing the oring on it, so wouldnt be timed properly

MX-5 Lazza

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243 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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That certainly wouldn't help! Go for 14BTDC wink

vigoro

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Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Does 14 degrees make that much of a difference over 10 degrees?

Howard-

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226 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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Time to dig my timing light out, I think wink

MX-5 Lazza

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243 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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vigoro said:
Does 14 degrees make that much of a difference over 10 degrees?
Not a lot but it is noticeable and as it's free then why not?

vigoro

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186 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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True might aswell,

I don't think i noticed the problem when driving as i did the cas o ring a week after getting it, and of course anything would feel more powerful than the 1.2 clio i was driving before so thought everything was normal

GravelBen

16,356 posts

254 months

Tuesday 22nd March 2011
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MX-5 Lazza said:
Not a lot but it is noticeable and as it's free then why not?
yes

Gives a useful boost to mid-range torque.

vigoro

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101 posts

186 months

Sunday 27th March 2011
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Well this seems to have been sorted now thanks to howard coming over with his timing gun, seems to drive a lot smoother now, and accelerates better too