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Looks like a sneak peek of the soon to be announced EZM 10 from Sinn:
[I]- SZ01 movement with central stop minute hand
- 24h subdial
- DIAPAL technology
- AR technology
- Resistant to extreme temperatures (-45 degrees C - +80 degrees C)
- Low pressure resistant
- Case made of tegimented titanium (!)
- PVD chrono pushers
- Sapphire bezel insert (!)
- Size: 44 mm without crown, 46.5 mm with crown
- 5 year warranty
Prizes:
Euro 3'950.- on leather strap
Euro 4'170.- on silicone strap
Euro 4'250.- on bracelet
Availability:
November 2011 (only available on leather strap in the beginning)[/I]
So, well, it's a bit big, a bit(!) pricey (but heavily modified movement I suppose) and perhaps a bit new looking for me at the moment, but I do like the pusher idea (Tutimaesque), the jumping central minute stop hand and the overall visibility. I think the crown stands out a little and I don't know if the crystal is domed at all or flat.
My thinking is 'OK, not too bad and I'll let it sink in a bit before making judgement' - something I've said in the past on Sinn, but I've almost always come round to some degree.
I think the price is commensurate with a heavily-modified movement, sapphire bezel, tegimented titanium, DIAPAL and so on. It is high though for Sinn - but I suppose it is in some way the new flagship; hopefully the movement may trickle down into something a little less expensive though. Be very interested to see what they've done - I was reading a thread the other day talking about this movement in 2004, so am very keen to find out more.
http://www.pointoftime.de/index.php?site=news
Sinn should have it on their site in the next few days.
Seen here
[I]- SZ01 movement with central stop minute hand
- 24h subdial
- DIAPAL technology
- AR technology
- Resistant to extreme temperatures (-45 degrees C - +80 degrees C)
- Low pressure resistant
- Case made of tegimented titanium (!)
- PVD chrono pushers
- Sapphire bezel insert (!)
- Size: 44 mm without crown, 46.5 mm with crown
- 5 year warranty
Prizes:
Euro 3'950.- on leather strap
Euro 4'170.- on silicone strap
Euro 4'250.- on bracelet
Availability:
November 2011 (only available on leather strap in the beginning)[/I]
So, well, it's a bit big, a bit(!) pricey (but heavily modified movement I suppose) and perhaps a bit new looking for me at the moment, but I do like the pusher idea (Tutimaesque), the jumping central minute stop hand and the overall visibility. I think the crown stands out a little and I don't know if the crystal is domed at all or flat.
My thinking is 'OK, not too bad and I'll let it sink in a bit before making judgement' - something I've said in the past on Sinn, but I've almost always come round to some degree.
I think the price is commensurate with a heavily-modified movement, sapphire bezel, tegimented titanium, DIAPAL and so on. It is high though for Sinn - but I suppose it is in some way the new flagship; hopefully the movement may trickle down into something a little less expensive though. Be very interested to see what they've done - I was reading a thread the other day talking about this movement in 2004, so am very keen to find out more.
http://www.pointoftime.de/index.php?site=news
Sinn should have it on their site in the next few days.
Seen here
RemainAllHoof said:
Yeah, the pusher button design is great. Not seen it done like that before.
Similar to Longines HydroConquest - http://www.longines.com/watches/longines-hydroconq...
Podie said:
RemainAllHoof said:
Yeah, the pusher button design is great. Not seen it done like that before.
Similar to Longines HydroConquest - http://www.longines.com/watches/longines-hydroconq...Few interesting points. Firstly, the 11 companies that appealed the SWATCH decision to stop supply of ETA parts has concluded and found that SWATXCH can stop supply - I wonder where this will leave Sinn, as their movement is a heavily modified 7750.
Another heavily modified 7750 with the same centre chrono and subdial layout was announced by Damasko (DC86) a few weeks ago -
So an interesting relationship between Sinn and Damasko - I'm not sure whether they compete or share, but they certainly both put some effort into their case technology.
The flush pushers are a Tutima idea originally, from the Commando II or NATO case -
You'll note that the Tutimas are also centre chronos, but powered by the 5100.
Another heavily modified 7750 with the same centre chrono and subdial layout was announced by Damasko (DC86) a few weeks ago -
So an interesting relationship between Sinn and Damasko - I'm not sure whether they compete or share, but they certainly both put some effort into their case technology.
The flush pushers are a Tutima idea originally, from the Commando II or NATO case -
You'll note that the Tutimas are also centre chronos, but powered by the 5100.
I really really like this, blows the Damasko away in my opinion, and again some great technology included.
The bezel design reminds me of some of the Heuer Autavia watches I have seen across the forums recently.
Personally 44mm is as large as I'd ever go, 42mm would have been my preference.
I just can't get past that price though. There is no way I'd ever spend that much on a Sinn. At least with a £5K Rolex you know it won't depreciate that heavily but I already see the top of the line Sinn watches selling for 50% original price or lower at about a year old.
The bezel design reminds me of some of the Heuer Autavia watches I have seen across the forums recently.
Personally 44mm is as large as I'd ever go, 42mm would have been my preference.
I just can't get past that price though. There is no way I'd ever spend that much on a Sinn. At least with a £5K Rolex you know it won't depreciate that heavily but I already see the top of the line Sinn watches selling for 50% original price or lower at about a year old.
I have one of those Tutima Nato's. Hugely under-rated will likely be selling it soon for a tiny fraction of that new Sinn. I also feel its way higher quality than the EZM3 I used to have, I really don't get why so many hold Sinn in such high regard, the EZM3 was a really poor quality watch on so many levels.
RemainAllHoof said:
Podie said:
RemainAllHoof said:
Yeah, the pusher button design is great. Not seen it done like that before.
Similar to Longines HydroConquest - http://www.longines.com/watches/longines-hydroconq...Not convinced by the chrono pusher design - what's the point of highlighting "integrated" pushers by a contrasting colour? That aside, I like the design & if it wears like other Sinn's 44mm will be fine for 7" wrist or close to it.
I don’t like it enough to pay the asking prices for a new one, but I suspect they will depreciate quite nicely.
I don’t like it enough to pay the asking prices for a new one, but I suspect they will depreciate quite nicely.
I'll take back my idea of the pushers being a Tutima idea...
Before he started running Sinn, in the late '70's Lothar Schmidt used to work for IWC. He played a part in the design of both the 3536 and the PD ranges. The Porsche Design was, of course, mainly originally designed by Ferdinand Porsche himself, although subsequent IWC models reputedly had Schmidt more involved in the design process. It's important to realise that the originals also used the L5100 centre-minute chrono set up - as per the EZM10.
In the early 80's IWC released the Titan version PD, the first (?) titanium watch. It also pioneered nitride hardening use in a watch - although this was not used extensively over the watch case but merely on screw threads at this stage, (to prevent molecular bonding between two titanium surfaces). Another interesting point was the use of the flush pushers and the exposed crown.
If we look at the IWC GST 3536 and a Sinn EZM1, some DNA seems to be shared -
And if we look at the IWC Titan, we see the similar pusher/crown arrangements, L5100 centre chrono* & (hardened) titanium that we now see on the EZM10:
(*Not on the Titan, but on the previous PD designs).
I wonder how much these were conscious design strands, how much is coincidence and how much influence Lothar had over these designs. It'd be interesting to sit down and chat with him about this.
WIKI: In 1994, Helmut Sinn sold the company to Lothar Schmidt, who constructed watches in the Porsche-Design Team in the 1970s and later on was authorized officer of the IWC. Among other things, Schmidt designed watch cases made from titanium for the IWC and after 1990 he was responsible for the rebuilding of the IWC brand A. Lange & Söhne.
PD/IWC & Titanium: http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/2009/2/19/porsche-des...
There is one for sale on Chrono24 at the moment, some pics of it 'in the flesh' as it were:
Before he started running Sinn, in the late '70's Lothar Schmidt used to work for IWC. He played a part in the design of both the 3536 and the PD ranges. The Porsche Design was, of course, mainly originally designed by Ferdinand Porsche himself, although subsequent IWC models reputedly had Schmidt more involved in the design process. It's important to realise that the originals also used the L5100 centre-minute chrono set up - as per the EZM10.
In the early 80's IWC released the Titan version PD, the first (?) titanium watch. It also pioneered nitride hardening use in a watch - although this was not used extensively over the watch case but merely on screw threads at this stage, (to prevent molecular bonding between two titanium surfaces). Another interesting point was the use of the flush pushers and the exposed crown.
If we look at the IWC GST 3536 and a Sinn EZM1, some DNA seems to be shared -
And if we look at the IWC Titan, we see the similar pusher/crown arrangements, L5100 centre chrono* & (hardened) titanium that we now see on the EZM10:
(*Not on the Titan, but on the previous PD designs).
I wonder how much these were conscious design strands, how much is coincidence and how much influence Lothar had over these designs. It'd be interesting to sit down and chat with him about this.
WIKI: In 1994, Helmut Sinn sold the company to Lothar Schmidt, who constructed watches in the Porsche-Design Team in the 1970s and later on was authorized officer of the IWC. Among other things, Schmidt designed watch cases made from titanium for the IWC and after 1990 he was responsible for the rebuilding of the IWC brand A. Lange & Söhne.
PD/IWC & Titanium: http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/2009/2/19/porsche-des...
There is one for sale on Chrono24 at the moment, some pics of it 'in the flesh' as it were:
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