Starting a collection
Starting a collection
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P7ULG

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1,052 posts

314 months

Friday 16th September 2011
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I have always loved watches and now I would like to start a collection of vintage watches.

I will be starting with a limited watch fund and wondered if anyone had any advice on how to go about it.I know a lot of it is down to individual taste but I don't really want to trawl about on Ebay and just end up with a load of old tat.

Shaw Tarse

31,903 posts

234 months

Friday 16th September 2011
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How limited is "our" budget?
Maybe join tz?

Muska

1,185 posts

213 months

Friday 16th September 2011
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I suppose the first obvious answer is research research research.

Over on WUS (watch you seek) there are brand specific forums, as well as one for vintage watches. Find the ones you like and learn the tells so you can confirm you're not buying a franken watch or fake. Or buy from a reputable vintage dealer. Personally I'd start with something vintage Omega. They have lots of models for only a few hundred, some beautiful movements/designs and also interesting pieces like the f300 tuning fork models.


andy tims

5,606 posts

277 months

Friday 16th September 2011
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Avoid ebay, unless you're really sure what you're looking at.

Join TZ-UK + The Watch Forum & do lots of reseach before rushing in to buy stuff.

P7ULG

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Friday 16th September 2011
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Shaw Tarse said:
How limited is "our" budget?
Maybe join tz?
Probably £100-200 if thats enough?

andy_s

19,857 posts

290 months

Friday 16th September 2011
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It'll get you £200 worth of vintage watch, that's for sure.


What sort of collection - have you any preferences already - dressy watches, particular make or period, military, auto, chrono, auto-chrono, divers etc etc. A collection doesn't have to have a theme - they are what they are, but an idea of what sort of thing you're looking for helps.
The advantage of collecting older watches is that there is something interesting at pretty much every price point though, and it opens things up so much in terms of choice.

For a few hundred quid you've probably got Seiko divers, a few military watches, left field choices from LePhare or BWC or countless others, classics like the Omegas and oddballs like a Skylab Seiko digital.

You'll not lose money, (much, anyway), as values are fairly constant, but to avoid buying a dog you have to bone up on the subject and get as much detail as you can, but that should be part of the fun.

As Mr Lebowski said to Mr Lebowski 'only you sir can help your self'.



P7ULG

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Friday 16th September 2011
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andy_s said:
What sort of collection - have you any preferences already - dressy watches, particular make or period, military, auto, chrono, auto-chrono, divers etc etc. A collection doesn't have to have a theme - they are what they are, but an idea of what sort of thing you're looking for helps.
The advantage of collecting older watches is that there is something interesting at pretty much every price point though, and it opens things up so much in terms of choice.
Interested in auto, chrono and auto chrono.

I think the appeal of a vintage watch is the places that watch may have been.I realise I will never find out the history of most old watches but it adds to their appeal to me.My own GMT Master has crossed most of the worlds oceans which I think makes it more than just a watch.Something that is hard to explain.

Edited by P7ULG on Friday 16th September 14:29

Shaw Tarse

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Friday 16th September 2011
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Military watch?
That will have history!

RemainAllHoof

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Friday 16th September 2011
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P7ULG said:
Probably £100-200 if thats enough?
Per watch or for the whole collection of watches?

P7ULG

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Friday 16th September 2011
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RemainAllHoof said:
Per watch or for the whole collection of watches?
Would like to start off with one or two watches and trade my way up.

RemainAllHoof

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313 months

Friday 16th September 2011
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P7ULG said:
Would like to start off with one or two watches and trade my way up.
It's a good way to start - then you know what you like and don't like. What does vintage mean to you? Some people call "vintage" 1980s watches.

andy_s

19,857 posts

290 months

Friday 16th September 2011
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P7ULG said:
Interested in auto, chrono and auto chrono.

I think the appeal of a vintage watch is the places that watch may have been.I realise I will never find out the history of most old watches but it adds to their appeal to me.My own GMT Master has crossed most of the worlds oceans which I think makes it more than just a watch.Something that is hard to explain.
None of the 12 WWII issue watches were automatic, nor are they chronos, but these along with some of the CWC current or recent issue ones fall around a few hundred -

Buren 200-400
Cyma 200-400
Record 150-300
Timor 200-350
Vertex 250-350

Potentially loads of history but not automatic.

Here were the prices in 1996 out of interest -

Buren 60-70
Cyma 80-100
Record 50-60
Timor 50-60
Vertex 60-70

But as everyone says, you need to find out what floats your boat really. Go and have a look at watchspotblog, where Richard dissects and explains many of the more discrete brands, many of which are quite affordable.

P7ULG

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Friday 16th September 2011
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andy_s said:
None of the 12 WWII issue watches were automatic, nor are they chronos, but these along with some of the CWC current or recent issue ones fall around a few hundred -

Buren 200-400
Cyma 200-400
Record 150-300
Timor 200-350
Vertex 250-350

Potentially loads of history but not automatic.

Here were the prices in 1996 out of interest -

Buren 60-70
Cyma 80-100
Record 50-60
Timor 50-60
Vertex 60-70

But as everyone says, you need to find out what floats your boat really. Go and have a look at watchspotblog, where Richard dissects and explains many of the more discrete brands, many of which are quite affordable.
Cheers Andy thumbup

P7ULG

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Friday 16th September 2011
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RemainAllHoof said:
It's a good way to start - then you know what you like and don't like. What does vintage mean to you? Some people call "vintage" 1980s watches.
Probably 1960's and older

RemainAllHoof

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Friday 16th September 2011
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P7ULG said:
Probably 1960's and older
Do you like Sicuras? biggrin

andy_s

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290 months

Friday 16th September 2011
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Haha - look at you with your trilby hat and camel coat RAH! biggrin

RemainAllHoof

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Friday 16th September 2011
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andy_s said:
Haha - look at you with your trilby hat and camel coat RAH! biggrin
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As with all my watches, I'm in two minds. There are a handful of watches I enjoy wearing and others I like the look of but never wear. Logic says I should sell the latter...

AlexC1981

5,857 posts

248 months

Saturday 17th September 2011
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It's difficult to get a good mechanical chronograph for under £200 and it costs about twice as much as a non-chronograph mechanical watch to get it serviced.

There are some lovely 70s made Citizen's and Seiko's in your budget, but a lot of them on ebay will have aftermarket dials and have been re-built a few times, not always by particularly competent people.

Fear not though! There are some good ones around. I have always wanted a Seiko bullhead. I think one of those would be a great start to your collection.

Have a read of this thread:

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f281/how-buy-seiko-61...





andy_s

19,857 posts

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Saturday 17th September 2011
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You can pick up manual chronos like the Rotary Aquaplunge/Lator/Baylor for about that amount, they're quite nice too and from the mid-late sixties.





P7ULG

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Saturday 17th September 2011
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Two nice looking watches there, I'm particulary like the Seiko.

When I was eleven year old I got a mechanical chronograph as a reward for going to grammar school, probably what started me on the road to the present obsession. It was from a local jeweller and was sold with their name on it. How I wish I had taken better care of it