Which Submariner homage?
Discussion
Hi, guys.
Having got a bit fed up with my search for a Rolex Sub, I've now turned to some of the homages out there. I've spotted a couple that I quite like (MKII Nassau and Steinhart Ocean-One). What are your experiences of them and are there any others that should also be considered/avoided?
Cheers.
Having got a bit fed up with my search for a Rolex Sub, I've now turned to some of the homages out there. I've spotted a couple that I quite like (MKII Nassau and Steinhart Ocean-One). What are your experiences of them and are there any others that should also be considered/avoided?
Cheers.
I had been looking for a late-ish 16610 or 14060M with the criteria I do not lose any money on it, ie, buy it for dealer trade-in prices. I got close a few times but sellers suddenly got very quiet when I started asking about cross-checking serial numbers on the Rolex Stolen Register or if I tried to get the watch verified by a dealer. I could've got a good watch with solid provenance from a dealer but I'd have had to pay around £1k more.
I like the all round usability of those watches but after a few months I started questioning how much of the money is for the watch and how much is the name and in the end my enthusiasm wore off.
I still like the look of the watch and I think the Nassau is a lovely piece, good value and pretty exclusive. Someone only recently told me about Steinhart so now I'm investigating the homages and how well rated they are.
I like the all round usability of those watches but after a few months I started questioning how much of the money is for the watch and how much is the name and in the end my enthusiasm wore off.
I still like the look of the watch and I think the Nassau is a lovely piece, good value and pretty exclusive. Someone only recently told me about Steinhart so now I'm investigating the homages and how well rated they are.
I've got the Steinhart Ocean Vintage military.
It's very well put together and seems a bargain. I took it off the bracelet as soon as I got it and put it on a black Isofrane rubber dive strap.
I'd intended it to be my weekend beater watch. But subsequently got a bargain Gshock from amazon and that's now my weekend beater. So I've barely worn the Steinhart tbh.
If you don't want to fork out for the real thing, but like the 'sub style' then steinhart are certainly work a look.
It's very well put together and seems a bargain. I took it off the bracelet as soon as I got it and put it on a black Isofrane rubber dive strap.
I'd intended it to be my weekend beater watch. But subsequently got a bargain Gshock from amazon and that's now my weekend beater. So I've barely worn the Steinhart tbh.
If you don't want to fork out for the real thing, but like the 'sub style' then steinhart are certainly work a look.
Stump up and get a Sub. If you want one and have almost done a deal, buying a £400 Steinhart probably won't cut it for you.
Why the insistence on a late model 16610? I have one and save for the rehaut there's barely any difference to an older 16610. I would have thought a 10 year old model could be had for decent money on chrono24 etc. and give you the value you're looking for.
Why the insistence on a late model 16610? I have one and save for the rehaut there's barely any difference to an older 16610. I would have thought a 10 year old model could be had for decent money on chrono24 etc. and give you the value you're looking for.
Have a look at the Davosa Ternos. Really nice quality watch, better than Steinhart I would say and smaller at 40mm (rather than 42). The ceramic bezel model is a thing of beauty. At circa £500 new it looks and feels like good value.
I had one and sold it as something else came up that I wanted. Now wishing I had kept it.
I had one and sold it as something else came up that I wanted. Now wishing I had kept it.
I have a Steinhart Ocean DLC and a Mk II LRRP - mine is an Explorer II homage but they did some milsub-alikes with all the same guts. Have been extremely happy with both. The Steinhart is extremely accurate, especially considering it's a $500 watch. It's also survived quite hard wear, including faceplanting over the pitwall at 2 am at VIR a couple of months ago with nothing but a couple of scratches to the bezel.
The MkII is a bit more expensive, but have also been extremely happy with it.
As has been pointed out, both are 42 mm, which is bigger than the Sub until the recent redesign, but they both have the more elegant case shape of the 40 mm sub case (the new cases look a bit ugly IMO).
The MkII is a bit more expensive, but have also been extremely happy with it.
As has been pointed out, both are 42 mm, which is bigger than the Sub until the recent redesign, but they both have the more elegant case shape of the 40 mm sub case (the new cases look a bit ugly IMO).
Caruso said:
The Steinharts are lovely and very well put together , but at 42mm they are bigger than the original Rolex models that were 38 or 40mm.
I used to own an Ocean GMT, I passed it on because it wore too large for my liking. Well made though, and very well regulated, something that gets mentioned by many who have tried Steinharts.Edited to add -
OP, I think you should hold out for a Sub and skip the idea of a homage, unless you're not sure if you'd get on with the style and you want to try a homage out just in case. If you do then buy pre-owned if you can, that way you won't lose much/any £ come resale. Failing that, just buy a Sub pre-owned, you'll still get your money back if you decide to flip it
Edited by CardShark on Monday 30th September 20:46
SVS said:
pstruck, what makes you say that Davosa's better than Steinhart. I've read this before, but never seen an explanation why. Steinhart gets nothing but praise on the forums, so what makes Davosa even better?
Not knocking Steinhart. I think they are excellent value watches and very well put together. I just feel the Davosa is slightly better. No one thing in particular, but just something about the quality feel of it, beautifully executed details and excellent bracelet. To me it feels a step up from the Steinhart Oceans. I'm sure there are some who would disagree. You pay your money you make your choice. At the price point both are excellent and neither disappoints.456GT said:
I had been looking for a late-ish 16610 or 14060M with the criteria I do not lose any money on it, ie, buy it for dealer trade-in prices. I got close a few times but sellers suddenly got very quiet when I started asking about cross-checking serial numbers on the Rolex Stolen Register or if I tried to get the watch verified by a dealer. I could've got a good watch with solid provenance from a dealer but I'd have had to pay around £1k more.
I like the all round usability of those watches but after a few months I started questioning how much of the money is for the watch and how much is the name and in the end my enthusiasm wore off.
I still like the look of the watch and I think the Nassau is a lovely piece, good value and pretty exclusive. Someone only recently told me about Steinhart so now I'm investigating the homages and how well rated they are.
So, you have become disappointed because you were not able to buy one of the most sought-after watches in the world for trade money? You obviously lack the knowledge to verify the authenticity of a Rolex watch, so you wanted to have the watch verified whilst at the same time to buy it for trade-in price? I see your problem. People generally only sell for trade price to the trade, because it's a quick and hassle-free sale. I can well imagine the sellers you contacted didn't much fancy going to the trouble of dealing with you when you wanted to pay less than private sale money.I like the all round usability of those watches but after a few months I started questioning how much of the money is for the watch and how much is the name and in the end my enthusiasm wore off.
I still like the look of the watch and I think the Nassau is a lovely piece, good value and pretty exclusive. Someone only recently told me about Steinhart so now I'm investigating the homages and how well rated they are.
If you are happy with a looky-likey you have the advantage that you know it won't be a fake. But you will almost certainly lose money on it, whereas you may not on a well-chosen Rolex. Added to which aren't "homages" just a little bit naff?
pstruck said:
Not knocking Steinhart. I think they are excellent value watches and very well put together. I just feel the Davosa is slightly better. No one thing in particular, but just something about the quality feel of it, beautifully executed details and excellent bracelet. To me it feels a step up from the Steinhart Oceans. I'm sure there are some who would disagree. You pay your money you make your choice. At the price point both are excellent and neither disappoints.
Interesting, thanks. That's high praise for Davosa if it's even better quality than Steinhart. Certainly Davosa gets some very nice reviews online.CardShark said:
OP, I think you should hold out for a Sub and skip the idea of a homage, unless you're not sure if you'd get on with the style and you want to try a homage out just in case. If you do then buy pre-owned if you can, that way you won't lose much/any £ come resale. Failing that, just buy a Sub pre-owned, you'll still get your money back if you decide to flip it
Edited by CardShark on Monday 30th September 20:46
Thanks for everyone's input so far; the Steinharts are looking good, albeit a little big...
456GT said:
I would still buy a Sub down the line if/when money becomes less of an issue. Right now, I'm being careful about what I spend money on. The enthusiasm for spending £3k+ on a watch has definitely worn off now but I'm sure I'll want one again in two or three years time!
Thanks for everyone's input so far; the Steinharts are looking good, albeit a little big...
Don't waste your money on crap. Some of the homages are, I'm sure, very lovely but you obviously want a proper Sub so why not save up for it? I've been where you are, honestly I have, and I made the mistake of buying a watch that looked a bit like the one I really wanted. I never really liked it and when I sold it I lost far, far, more as a percentage of its purchase price than I would have done on the real thing.Thanks for everyone's input so far; the Steinharts are looking good, albeit a little big...
Deferred gratification, 456GT, deferred gratification.
Perec said:
Don't waste your money on crap.
A bit unfair if we're talking about Steinhart and the likes. They are nicely made, decent quality watches, albeit in a much lower price bracket to a Rolex sub. Don't get me wrong, I agree with your "deferred gratifiaction" comment, if a Rolex sub is what is desired nothing else will truly hit the mark, however, if a considerably cheaper alternative is sought in order to pass the time (pun intended) until the real deal comes into reach, then a Steinhart, or similar, would do nicely. So maybe it will lose some money when sold, but we're only talking a few hundred pounds to buy new, not several thousand. This is what the OP is asking due to his own set of circumstances and I think one of the suggested watches would answer the need. Gassing Station | Watches | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff