Rolex Submariner date - anything to look for?
Rolex Submariner date - anything to look for?
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northandy

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3,540 posts

252 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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So am trying to stop myself buying a black face date sub, although I think I'm fighting a losing battle!.

Am thinking of buying used, something I have no experience of.

So what should I be careful of?. Have discounted ebay as that gives me a generally bad feeling. So have browsed watchfinder and blowers websites and saw one for sale in Harrogate yesterday (1988 for £4,250).

Is there anything I need to look for?, any other places I should be looking?


Mr Aston Martin

478 posts

191 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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I've just bought a new Sub with date and looked at preowned prior to my purchase.

Certainly you have the usual suspects watch finder, blowers and Hackett watches all have good reviews on here and you can buy in confidence, however it seems some dealers price certain watches consistently better. Chrono24 seems pretty strong as a specialist site but could mean buying from abroad. No issue as dealers have ratings and the site seems pretty straight forward.


I simply don't know enough to make an informed decision in buying off ebay and i wanted to avoid getting tucked up.


Edited by Mr Aston Martin on Sunday 2nd March 19:31

IbizaT

35 posts

161 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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I spent ages looking for a used bi-metal black face submariner date.
Ended up buying a new one, due to being over cautious when it comes to buying a used one. To be fair, you no longer save a fortune buying second hand.

andy tims

5,606 posts

277 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Box, papers, warranty card, service history with receipts.

Check out Chrono24 and drop Dominic at Hacket Watches a line.

Athlon

5,953 posts

237 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Dominic is your man.

northandy

Original Poster:

3,540 posts

252 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Thanks guys, all much appreciated.

Have bookmarked Hackett watches now.

One thing I assume the original papers are important, I have a Breitling navitimer that I bought new in 2007, considered selling and buying a new sub, but grown very attached to it now.


yeti

10,704 posts

306 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Mr Aston Martin said:
Chrono24 seems pretty strong as a specialist site but could mean buying from abroad. No issue as dealers have ratings and the site seems pretty straight forward.
You know that the dealers buy that ratings don't you? 'Trusted seller' status means absolutely NOTHING.

Well about as much as someone on eBay saying 'buy with confidence, 100% genuine guaranteed'. At least eBay has a feedback system, c24 has nothing. Not saying you shoudn't buy from there, I have many times but it's just a site for hosting watch ads - you need to do your due diligence as always.

GCH

4,141 posts

233 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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yeti said:
You know that the dealers buy that ratings don't you? 'Trusted seller' status means absolutely NOTHING.

Well about as much as someone on eBay saying 'buy with confidence, 100% genuine guaranteed'. At least eBay has a feedback system, c24 has nothing. Not saying you shoudn't buy from there, I have many times but it's just a site for hosting watch ads - you need to do your due diligence as always.
Plus nobody on the site (that I have dealt with or enquired about a piece, at any rate) seems to accept c/card, paypal or any other normal form of payment except bank wire...

yeti

10,704 posts

306 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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northandy said:
One thing I assume the original papers are important
They are, extremely. If you freely admit you don't know much about watches and Rolex in particular, pay the few hundred extra over a private or random sale and source from a very reputable dealer; Dom H, WF or Blowers, I have dealt with all of them extensively.

I have seen some fakes that make me shudder... It's not worth the risk.

Mr Aston Martin

478 posts

191 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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yeti said:
You know that the dealers buy that ratings don't you? 'Trusted seller' status means absolutely NOTHING.
No, I didn't. Defeats the purpose of the statement.





yeti

10,704 posts

306 months

Monday 3rd March 2014
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Mr Aston Martin said:
No, I didn't. Defeats the purpose of the statement.
Doesn't it just frown

As I said though, due diligence to be done and I've had ZERO problems in many transactions on c24 and eBay.

audidoody

8,598 posts

287 months

Monday 3rd March 2014
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Plenty of Rollie-Sub-Buying advice over on http://www.newturfers.com

northandy

Original Poster:

3,540 posts

252 months

Monday 3rd March 2014
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yeti said:
They are, extremely. If you freely admit you don't know much about watches and Rolex in particular, pay the few hundred extra over a private or random sale and source from a very reputable dealer; Dom H, WF or Blowers, I have dealt with all of them extensively.

I have seen some fakes that make me shudder... It's not worth the risk.
I think that's the best option, I think I could spot a fake, but to be fair saw a Panerai fake last week, and other than the strap I was fooled.


alanm_3

370 posts

270 months

Monday 3rd March 2014
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If you don't know your product, buy from someone why does and can guarantee its authenticity.

mikeveal

5,139 posts

281 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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yeti said:
You know that the dealers buy that ratings don't you? 'Trusted seller' status means absolutely NOTHING.

Well about as much as someone on eBay saying 'buy with confidence, 100% genuine guaranteed'. At least eBay has a feedback system, c24 has nothing. Not saying you shoudn't buy from there, I have many times but it's just a site for hosting watch ads - you need to do your due diligence as always.
ebay is no better.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/POSITIVE-EBAY-REVIEW-PERFE...

ChrisSow

18 posts

163 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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I've a feeling Dom H will be getting the exact watch in stock very shortly, a used 16610 2008 with box and papers , exceptional condition ( I've just part exchanged it against a speedmaster). I'd drop him a line, he's a great guy to deal with.

ChrisSow

18 posts

163 months

Tuesday 4th March 2014
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I've a feeling Dom H will be getting the exact watch in stock very shortly, a used 16610 2008 with box and papers , exceptional condition ( I've just part exchanged it against a speedmaster). I'd drop him a line, he's a great guy to deal with.

onesickpuppy

2,672 posts

188 months

Wednesday 5th March 2014
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ChrisSow said:
I've a feeling Dom H will be getting the exact watch in stock very shortly, a used 16610 2008 with box and papers , exceptional condition ( I've just part exchanged it against a speedmaster). I'd drop him a line, he's a great guy to deal with.
Bingo!

northandy

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3,540 posts

252 months

Wednesday 5th March 2014
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Thanks for the heads up!

hilly10

7,543 posts

259 months

Wednesday 5th March 2014
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I looked all over to find a trusted source as my Sub was always going to be a keeper (grandson heirloom) . Its a minefield out there and you really have to be on your guard and buy the seller if you go private. I eventually found it on TZ a couple of years ago a1985 16800 which had been completely overhauled at Rolex UK in 2008 came with all papers from Rolex from the rebuild, original box etc it cost me £3000 on the nail,from a really great guy. So my advice if you go down the private route is be patient you will find a good one,they are out there. Other then that speak to Dom Hackett