Help me identify my Tudor!

[Looket]

Could someone please help me identify my watch? I bought it four or five ago from an antiques dealer in York, not really knowing what I was getting myself into as I never was much of a Tudor expert (paid around £200 I think). At the time I figured it was probably from the 40s, judging by the look of it. Tried researching it at the time but to no avail, today I found two similar watches though:

http://www.poshtime.com/Rolex-Tudor-c.1940s_3023.0...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tudor-Rose-Vintage-9k-Soli...

Pics:



Anyone got any ideas? I did suspect it was a replica of some kind for a while, but it would be a weird choice of watch to forge.

Thanks!

[GC8]

Small rose?

[Looket]

GC8 said:

Small rose?

Thanks for answering, but what do you mean? At first I thought 'small rose' was a model, but I've seen people referencing it elsewhere regarding a vast variety of different models so I'm a bit confused. I'm assuming it's referring to the logo and how it's evolved over the years from rose, rose within a shield, then just shield?

The serial number on the back of the case would seem to indicate that it was manufactured c.1950 if that's of any help.

Also, I seem to remember that when I opened it a few years ago the movement was actually stuck to the case and everything would come out in one piece - which seemed odd and possibly an indication that it's not on its original movement?

Thanks again.

[GC8]

Small rose on the dial. Small rose, large rose and then, last of all, shield.

An enclosed rose suggests production between 1936 and 1947.

[Looket]

GC8 said:

Small rose on the dial. Small rose, large rose and then, last of all, shield.

An enclosed rose suggests production between 1936 and 1947.

As I suspected. Thanks!

1947 you say? The plot thickens. Think I might just shoot an e-mail to Tudor themselves and see what they've got.

[GC8]

If they have a heritage department then it cant do any harm.

I believe that the small rose was enclosed until 1947 and then open until they introduced the large rose, which usually replaced the 12 o'clock applied hour marker. These were preplaced quite quickly by a shield which remained for forty years.

This is all anecdotal though. Accepted wisdom suggests that small roses weren't ever used to replace the hour marker, but a little searching throws up a couple which have just that, and one came from a Tudor employee, so Id regard it as a guide, at best.

If its American then redialling is a strong possibility too, although they usually replace the Tudor crest with a bogus Rolex script and call it a 'California dial' (AKA boasty lie dial), and it may have been refinished with the more attractive enclosed rose.

[Looket]

I've certainly considered the possibility that it's been re-dialled. Re-everything really. It just seems so odd - as you say the dial would indicate 1947-ish, yet the serial on the back says 1950. That, coupled with the fact that I can't find a single picture of an identical watch (except the one in the link, but that's not golden) seems a bit fishy to me.

Just to clarify, the two pictures in my original post are of my watch. I realise now that perhaps it reads a bit ambiguously.