Is this Sea Dweller authentic

[phumy]

I have my doubts, Im not sure the MOD would have commissioned these in this day and age.

Anyone have any ideas.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221430275933

[phumy]

Sorry just reread the title Im not questioning the authenticity of the actual watch but the Royal Naval part of the sale. The extra engraving looks like any you can get done in the high street.

[GoBig]

I have seen anither one for sale on a watch related website (maybe even the same one).

From what I remember, there were a limited amount made, and the engraving was the same.

[alfaman]

How would you prove that such a limited edition exists - and even if it does .. is this watch one of those ? .. or rather is just adding some engraving to a DSSD an attempt to dubiously multiply the watch value by 5x ?

[GC8]

Well, it isn't just a bit of engraving, is it?

[Pip1968]

I agree. I am not sure that its uniqueness is that guaranteeable. I am not sure about Rolex but there are plenty of 'limited' number Parachute Regt./ Royal Marines et cetera et cetera Breitling watches.

I thought the Deepsea case back was titanium so is the capbadge one piece or has it been 'stuck' onto the back of the case - ?

Possibly more important for some is the paperwork to go with it ie the whole package.

Pip

[yeti]

Pip1968 said:

I am not sure that its uniqueness is that guaranteeable.

Are you George W. Bush?

It's not 'unique' as unique means only one, there are 50 of them. They are limited at best.

The MOD isn't involved, simply a group of Navy clearance divers got together and commissioned the engraving from Rolex in a seried of 50. Now they are cashing in, afir play to them if there are suckers amnd Walts who want ths stuff.

Rolex will do this for anyone - we could all get PH editions if there were enough of us ready to pay full whack plus engraving for a run of 50-100 watches.

[ecain63]

yeti said:

Are you George W. Bush?

It's not 'unique' as unique means only one, there are 50 of them. They are limited at best.

The MOD isn't involved, simply a group of Navy clearance divers got together and commissioned the engraving from Rolex in a seried of 50. Now they are cashing in, afir play to them if there are suckers amnd Walts who want ths stuff.

Rolex will do this for anyone - we could all get PH editions if there were enough of us ready to pay full whack plus engraving for a run of 50-100 watches.

There is soon to be a run of submariners destined for Poole too. Inside info.

[yeti]

ecain63 said:

There is soon to be a run of submariners destined for Poole too. Inside info.

It's fine for you to get one though, just not me

[phumy]

So just because this has been engraved (read high street or anywhere you want) and has been owned by some sailor in the RN it makes it worth nearly 5 times its original prices. In the advert they mention the resume of the diver, copies of his dive log and dive certificates...so does that increase the value? and the fact that the engraving design "artwork" is also included, well that's laughable, that engraving doesn't need any design FFS that's just normal engraving, nothing special there.

Good luck to the seller, if he sells it and bad luck to the mug that buys it, if anyone does.

If it was a real limited edition it should have been commissioned to be done by Rolex and some kind of design change to the face to make it "special", I see nothing on the watch or in the paperwork that goes with it that makes it any different to any other Deep Sea except about £15 worth of engraving that I feel has devalued it.

[toohuge]

phumy said:

So just because this has been engraved (read high street or anywhere you want) and has been owned by some sailor in the RN it makes it worth nearly 5 times its original prices. In the advert they mention the resume of the diver, copies of his dive log and dive certificates...so does that increase the value? and the fact that the engraving design "artwork" is also included, well that's laughable, that engraving doesn't need any design FFS that's just normal engraving, nothing special there.

Good luck to the seller, if he sells it and bad luck to the mug that buys it, if anyone does.

If it was a real limited edition it should have been commissioned to be done by Rolex and some kind of design change to the face to make it "special", I see nothing on the watch or in the paperwork that goes with it that makes it any different to any other Deep Sea except about £15 worth of engraving that I feel has devalued it.

The artwork on the case back is simply there to represent the special edition nature of this run, similar to the Daytona 24hr winners watch etc.

As to the value.... some will pay more for a watch that was a) issued by the armed forces and b) saw active duty.

I personally like the engraving on the case back, but as there is no official tie to the RN (the watch was not issued) and it happens to have been worn by a diver is not (imo) worth any premium. Some watches that have the associated dive logs / flight logs can be a little more appealing due to the interesting story that comes with the watch, in the same way a well know owner of a car can add appeal, but rarely adds value.

Chris

[Pip1968]

yeti said:

Are you George W. Bush?

It's not 'unique' as unique means only one, there are 50 of them. They are limited at best.

The MOD isn't involved, simply a group of Navy clearance divers got together and commissioned the engraving from Rolex in a seried of 50. Now they are cashing in, afir play to them if there are suckers amnd Walts who want ths stuff.

Rolex will do this for anyone - we could all get PH editions if there were enough of us ready to pay full whack plus engraving for a run of 50-100 watches.

Fair enough I stuck too many Americanisms in there but I was under the impression it came engraved with his NAAFI number but upon further inspection it is just the issue number. There 'is; however only once clearance divers paperwork and original owner.

Hereford and Poole have had watches made to order a long time ago but just Breitlings I believe.

Pip

[audidoody]

Or you could have an SAS Explorer for a few grand less.

http://watchclub-px.rtrk.co.uk/w6593/rolex-explore...

[ExplorerII]

audidoody said:

Or you could have an SAS Explorer for a few grand less.

http://watchclub-px.rtrk.co.uk/w6593/rolex-explore...

Some wealthy Walt will be all over that like a rash, and trying to gain entry into the SF club in Knightsbridge, Lol.