Is this genuine Panerai?

[iain014]

Afternoon, 1st post in this section after a long time mooching.

Been trying to find some info on this particular caseback, I can't decide whether it's genuine or not, can any of you shed any light?

Model is a Marina Titano 00177

Thanks,
Iain

[Spice_Weasel]

Seems ok. The PAM0177 is a titanium case Luminor Marina model with a hand wind movement (Unitas 6497 base).

[iain014]

Thanks for that. The thing that is bugging me is the writing on the inside, I cant find any other record of this. It looks so well done that it would seem to be a big effort to have faked it, especially if its not supposed to be there...

[yeti]

I've got a 177 at home - I'll check in a bit. TBH, although superfically correct, that looks a bit... rough..?

[sneijder]

The pin holding the bridge lever should be flush

The finishing on the lugs is pretty bad

The movement looks very much like a 'modified' Seagull 6497 job, so it'll last OK.

[marcosgt]

sneijder said:

The pin holding the bridge lever should be flush

The finishing on the lugs is pretty bad

The movement looks very much like a 'modified' Seagull 6497 job, so it'll last OK.

It's a good point, the whole back of the case looks unfinished. In fact the lugs look like they were finished off with a coarse metal file!

I'd be amazed if it's real (I also wouldn't ever buy a Panerai, if it was! )

One off Chrono24 for comparison :



M.

Edited by marcosgt on Friday 23 May 17:26

[iain014]

Thanks chaps. Now that Im no longer going for it as a bargain, here is the link. Lots of effort has gone in to the forgery,

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PANERAI-LUMINOR-MARINA-T...

[yeti]

Thought I had one in a draw somewhere!



This is a G-Series, last of the painted dials before they moved to sandwich dials - it's about 9 years old. The fake is perfect in every way... it just isn't well enough finished. Say what you like about PAM, they know how to make humble movements look great!

[yeti]

I'm really not sure about this watch... The lugs have been really badly refinished but I think that might have been done at the factory; they have a terrible reputation. The grain on the locking crown is correct as I think it's steel.

The case/lugs should be smooth with almost an ultra-fine bead blasted effect, neither polished nor satin.

I think his photo of the rear is lousy but if that's a SeaGull 6497 equivalent... They really have gone to a huge amount of effort to get the swan neck regular correct. I can;t see they;d bother, I have seen fakes with the PANERAIPANERAI text stamped in but this seems to have been correctly acid etched onto a lightly grained background. Just too much effort for a fake.

I think it's real; but I think it has had the absolute crap kicked out of it, a very hard life and the factory have left a poor finsh on the lugs. But that's my opinion based on a few lousy pictures and why I almost always deal face to face.

I say it's real. I also say don't buy it.

[jules_s]

G series 177 on Blowers doesn't have those engravings...or am I missing something?

[yeti]

jules_s said:

G series 177 on Blowers doesn't have those engravings...or am I missing
something?

Like what?

[jules_s]

yeti said:

jules_s said:

G series 177 on Blowers doesn't have those engravings...or am I missing
something?

Like what?

I'm reading your last post as you are stating yours is a real 177..

Or is it possible two G series 177's would differ so much?

http://www.blowers-jewellers.co.uk/panerai_marina_...

Edited by jules_s on Friday 23 May 22:54

[marcosgt]

There you go then, poor finish isn't an indication of a fake (in fact, possibly quite the opposite!).

M

[michael gould]

Well if that's how Panerai finish their watches I will stick to my boring Patek !

[yeti]

jules_s said:

I'm reading your last post as you are stating yours is a real 177..

Or is it possible two G series 177's would differ so much?

Interesting theory, perhaps mine is a fake, it's much less likely than you having made a mistake, of course...

Obviously I'd have to complain to the AD in Toronto where it was bought 9 years ago with me stood next to my mate!

By the way, the one you've linked to on Blowers site is a K series. Can be seen clearly on the back.

[michael gould]

NeMiSiS said:

michael gould said:

Well if that's how Panerai finish their watches I will stick to my boring Patek !

You haven't spoke much of your new purchase, I think you may have 'buyers blues'.

Not at all......I'm delighted with my purchase.......I have been offered more than I paid for it so could easily flip it if I wasn't completely happy with it.

If I had a disappointment it's I don't really have anywhere to go in my watch aspirations .....IMHO the Patek 5110 is perfection