so which brand to buy
so which brand to buy
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bordseye

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2,238 posts

223 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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I already have a seiko divers kinetic which fullfills all the useful functions of a watch - telling time reliably and accurately. But for a special birthday I fancy treating myself to something a bit special. Trouble is - which brand? Because the only differences between my Seiko and say a Rolex Sub are the service costs of the Rolex and the name on the dial.

Since I would be spending part of the kids inheritance, which brand would depreciate least and cost the kids least? Which barand is least likely to irritate by being unreliable - I already have a 1960s gold Omega Seamaster in a drawer because as a timepiece its useless.

To give an idea of the sort of watch I fancy, I was drawn to the Rolex Yachtmaster 2 apart from its excessive size. But my hobby is yachting anyway.

Edited by bordseye on Sunday 8th February 14:23

Troubleatmill

10,210 posts

190 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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Very few watches are an investment.

You buy them because you like them.

Depreciation be damned.

GC8

19,910 posts

221 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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Useless as a timepiece? Get it serviced, you wally.

GCH

4,141 posts

233 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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bordseye said:
I already have a 1960s gold Omega Seamaster in a drawer because as a timepiece its useless.
How so?
Father in law though the same about his gold 60s seamaster (it was his 21st birthday present) and it had been in a draw for at least a decade.
I borrowed it, got it serviced and tidied - thankfully the case only needed a very light polish and a new plexiglass crystal- and a proper omega strap and buckle.

He was gobsmacked and didn't believe it was the same watch at first. Now he adores it and wears it daily , and it is keeping time within COSC specs.

bordseye

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223 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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Some years ago I sent the watch back to Omega on two occasions. Both times the self winding bit gave up self winding withing 12 months, and the timekeeping was hardly very accurate - several minutes a month out. Fed up of wasting money on it - have just kept it since it was a 21st pressie from parents.

GC8

19,910 posts

221 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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Swatch had a terrible reputation for years, and probably still do. Try an independent repairer like Joe (Variomatic here) or Steve Burrage.

Id try Joe first - finding out what the craic is will only cost you the price of Special Delivery post.

bobbybee

889 posts

185 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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bordseye said:
Because the only differences between my Seiko and say a Rolex Sub are the service costs of the Rolex and the name on the dial.

Edited by bordseye on Sunday 8th February 14:23
If that's what you really think regarding different watch brands, there's not much point in buying 'something special' as you wouldn't appreciate it.
So just buy something you like to look of, irrespective of brand, and enjoy. At the end of the day it's not the watch in itself, it is what it represents / means to you with the emotional tie-in to the occasion

yeti

10,697 posts

306 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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If you think your Seiko Kinetic (quartz regulated, powered by a rotor which charges a capacitor) and a Rolex (automatic mechanical, spring regulated and charged by a winding rotor) are the same apart from the name on the dial then really, really don't bother.

Just enjoy the Seiko.

marcosgt

11,504 posts

207 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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Absolutely!

If you don't see the difference between a workaday Seiko and a Rolex (or other 'premium' brand) save your money.

If you're JUST after a brand name, then I guess a Rolex is probably a good choice - Everyone will have heard of it and most will go "oooh, there's posh" when you show them.

Reminds me of the short period I had a Jaguar S-Type as a company car - It was the most hateful piece of junk I ever had, but even people who knew us well seemed to treat us differently while we had it. Most odd...

M.

Miguel Alvarez

5,183 posts

201 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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We're a bit harsh here today lol. I read it in the sense that the Seiko is a black dial/bezel much like a sub.

That aside if that's how you see it and to a point it is a valid comment you're probably not a watch person enough to warrant spending lots of money on one. It's all a personal justification based on pretty useless reasons at the end of the day. I love cars but can't get my head around the depreciation so haven't had anything new(ish) for over a decade now. Watches on the other hand are my thing and I'd rather spend my money that way.

If you do want to buy a "nicer" watch let us know your budget and a style you like. Dress/Diver/Chronograph etc. For example as nice as Rolex is and I'm a bit of a fan boy they're not known for their dress watches.

bordseye

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223 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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The primary purpose of a watch is to tell the time. The Seiko does that accurately and reliably. I believe the Rolex does the same though I am a bit more nervous about the "reliable" bit, it being mechanical rather than electronic. Anyway, taking the basic function as read, what you get extra with a Rolex is the brand name and all that implies. What else is there? There cannot be any functional difference.

And following that logic, if I am spending 5k or whatever for the label on the dial, it makes sesnse to try and evaluate which labels are the best . Sure I will chose the one that I think looks the best but since I will be leaving it to my son in due course, I am curious about which brands / labels hold their value best

And having had the experience I have described with an Omega Seamaster, I would also appreciate comments on reliability by brand.


sparkyhx

4,200 posts

235 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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marcosgt said:
Absolutely!

If you don't see the difference between a workaday Seiko and a Rolex (or other 'premium' brand) save your money.

If you're JUST after a brand name, then I guess a Rolex is probably a good choice - Everyone will have heard of it and most will go "oooh, there's posh" when you show them.

Reminds me of the short period I had a Jaguar S-Type as a company car - It was the most hateful piece of junk I ever had, but even people who knew us well seemed to treat us differently while we had it. Most odd...

M.
and rolex are the least depreciating brand, buy second hand and you will loose very little over time.

However they are a high street brand, they are ten a penny so offer zero exclusivity - go figure

Miguel Alvarez

5,183 posts

201 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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Are you asking in a rounabout way which one is going to have the best resale value after you've popped your clogs?

bordseye

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Tuesday 10th February 2015
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Miguel Alvarez said:
Are you asking in a rounabout way which one is going to have the best resale value after you've popped your clogs?
Thats one factor for sure. Financially speaking I have been lucky in life but thats no reason to throw money away unnecessarily

Miguel Alvarez

5,183 posts

201 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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Then the standard answer is Rolex Sub. I don't think we are going to see anywhere near the level of increases on Rolex's that we have seen since the 60's to now. I'll be happily surprised however if we do.


yeti

10,697 posts

306 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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bordseye said:
The primary purpose of a watch is to tell the time. The Seiko does that accurately and reliably. I believe the Rolex does the same though I am a bit more nervous about the "reliable" bit, it being mechanical rather than electronic. Anyway, taking the basic function as read, what you get extra with a Rolex is the brand name and all that implies. What else is there? There cannot be any functional difference.
And there's no difference between a Subaru Impreza Turbo and a Ferrari F355, right?

They do the same thing, are as quick as each other, blah blah blah.

Stick with your Seiko or you'll just be on here whining about it if you buy a Rolex/Omega/whatever.

bobbybee

889 posts

185 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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I was thinking of a car analogy along those lines too smile beat me to it

sparkyhx

4,200 posts

235 months

Tuesday 10th February 2015
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yeti said:
bordseye said:
The primary purpose of a watch is to tell the time. The Seiko does that accurately and reliably. I believe the Rolex does the same though I am a bit more nervous about the "reliable" bit, it being mechanical rather than electronic. Anyway, taking the basic function as read, what you get extra with a Rolex is the brand name and all that implies. What else is there? There cannot be any functional difference.
And there's no difference between a Subaru Impreza Turbo and a Ferrari F355, right?

They do the same thing, are as quick as each other, blah blah blah.

Stick with your Seiko or you'll just be on here whining about it if you buy a Rolex/Omega/whatever.
If you are talking time keeping and robustness Seiko might be the Ferrari - I'd say The Seiko is a modern car and the Rolex a restored Vintage car - looks is great sets you aside in the crowd a bit, but ultimately built on 50 year old analogue technology