The economics of jewellery shops.
The economics of jewellery shops.
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So

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244 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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I've been jewellery shopping in the past few days.

There is one shop I know and have used before which has, I would estimate, a seven-figure sum of stock. I very much doubt, however, that they own it in cash.

How do they finance the business? Is it bank finance or are they selling stock owned by the manufacturers / suppliers?




jules_s

4,972 posts

255 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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Depends on the Jeweller

From a watch perspective, the manufacturer still owns the watch but the jeweller has flexiblity on the price depending on the profit margin

I'd imagine it's the same with rings/stones etc


Ninjin

1,352 posts

97 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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I have a friend who is a wholesale supplier of Jewellery to the stores.

He says the stores buy the stock from him to sell and is not sale or return. They do however get like nil/30/60/90 days to pay up depending on how good a client they are.

russy01

4,820 posts

203 months

Saturday 18th January 2020
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Ninjin said:
I have a friend who is a wholesale supplier of Jewellery to the stores.

He says the stores buy the stock from him to sell and is not sale or return. They do however get like nil/30/60/90 days to pay up depending on how good a client they are.
Im not sure if true but my local BMW salesman says they have 90 days terms, thus it’s in their interest to move said stock within that period as they couldn’t afford to outright own/pay for everything on the forecourt.

Thus they’re instructed to keep a close eye on this payment date of new stock and have permission to sell cheaper as the date nears and in some cases just move the car on cheap.

So as per the op, the retailer could have say 500k of stock paid for and tied up in cash (pretty safe place for the money assuming it’s gold/diamonds/watches etc), and the other half is constantly turning over...

richthebike

1,753 posts

159 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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This is why investors like retail. The working capital is negative i.e. you have more cash than stock (if it's well managed). You're generally selling everything before you pay for it, and at a higher value. Hence, throwing off cash related to volume. This is one of the reasons that volume is a proxy for success in retail (or at least has been, the sentiment is changing now).

This obviously works through the supply chain, but is offset by higher margins as you get towards manufacturing. Typically of course.

ecain63

10,637 posts

197 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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As an owner......

The bulk of my stock is owned, and buying outright often gives you a better price because it's instant payment and instant kickback for your rep. Of course we'd be mad to buy everything so the remainder is either purchased on 30 days credit (we avoid 60 and 90 day schemes) or is held on sale or return. The SOR stuff we generally have to pay full price but the rest we get discounted depending on what we've bought and sold previously. It is however a very expensive business to be in and stock figures can be a bit alarming at times..... more so as a manufacturer like me because we also have to hold materials.

Another thing about stock figures is the more you have, the more your insurance costs..... and the equipment needed to secure it all. Obvious statement but that has a big impact on what you choose to stock and how carefully you need to plan ahead.

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

234 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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richthebike said:
This is why investors like retail. The working capital is negative i.e. you have more cash than stock (if it's well managed).
Pedantry alert, but working capital would be positive, and cash is greater than accounts payable.

richthebike

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159 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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Retailers generally have negative working capital. Clearly the important thing is the cash cycle ie selling stuff and getting paid for it before you have to pay for it...

Soft Top

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240 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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As ecain63 has told us not all operate this way but my local, (watches rather than jewellers), are seemingly leveraged on basically everything:


CaptainSlow

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234 months

Sunday 19th January 2020
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richthebike said:
Retailers generally have negative working capital. Clearly the important thing is the cash cycle ie selling stuff and getting paid for it before you have to pay for it...
Yep, which is positive working capital, not negative.

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Assuming goods are sold at a profit, if goods are sold at a loss then the working capital would be negative.

ecain63

10,637 posts

197 months

Monday 20th January 2020
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You really need to find out what their stock consists of.

Our own stuff is nearly entirely made up of stock that I could sell at cost or profit if we had to shut down. The gold prices aren't going to drop hugely anytime soon, more likely they'll go up. So if I've bought wisely I'll not lose if it all goes horribly wrong. The same with watch purchases we make. Rolex, Omega, Breitling etc generally don't bite if you have to sell quickly. With that in mind a business like ours is fairly safe from being in a negative situation so long as you are careful. Imagine that.... a careful retailer. That's why our business is doing well on the highstreet.

Other jewellers that sell brands from the cheaper end of the market won't have much resale value in their stock if they go bust because its made cheap to sell high. That's why many of those retailers have so much on credit or SOR.

Edited by ecain63 on Monday 20th January 13:06

So

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28,176 posts

244 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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I was in Birmingham Jewellery Quarter again yesterday. It's a peculiar place.

There are deals to be had, but a lot of dross too. It always makes me wonder how many of the places keep going; I can only assume they sell a lot other than retail.

I also marvel, every time, at how many of the female staff could walk straight into a Guy Ritchie movie.


ctrph

155 posts

147 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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So said:
I was in Birmingham Jewellery Quarter again yesterday. It's a peculiar place.

There are deals to be had, but a lot of dross too. It always makes me wonder how many of the places keep going; I can only assume they sell a lot other than retail.

I also marvel, every time, at how many of the female staff could walk straight into a Guy Ritchie movie.
I'm around the quarter a lot (jewellery related) and quite a few are on a knife edge and a few have gone over the past couple of years. The businesses that are doing the best offer onsite repairs, bespoke work etc.


So

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28,176 posts

244 months

Thursday 23rd January 2020
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ctrph said:
So said:
I was in Birmingham Jewellery Quarter again yesterday. It's a peculiar place.

There are deals to be had, but a lot of dross too. It always makes me wonder how many of the places keep going; I can only assume they sell a lot other than retail.

I also marvel, every time, at how many of the female staff could walk straight into a Guy Ritchie movie.
I'm around the quarter a lot (jewellery related) and quite a few are on a knife edge and a few have gone over the past couple of years. The businesses that are doing the best offer onsite repairs, bespoke work etc.
Interesting.

It didn't feel the same this time (it's about 8 years since I last hung around there) and I got a sense more than before that more owners own multiple shops. A couple of shopkeepers said, "oh go and try our other shops X,Y and Z" all of which looked like independent places.

The quantity and quality of stock also seemed lower somehow.

It was the first time that I have had a shopkeeper actually come out into the street to try to sell something to me.

Sure, it's January. But, as you suggest, I didn't get the sense that the place was thriving.









Dr Jekyll

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283 months

Thursday 23rd January 2020
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CaptainSlow said:
richthebike said:
Retailers generally have negative working capital. Clearly the important thing is the cash cycle ie selling stuff and getting paid for it before you have to pay for it...
Yep, which is positive working capital, not negative.

ETA
Assuming goods are sold at a profit, if goods are sold at a loss then the working capital would be negative.
On the stock itself plus cash yes, it tends to be slightly positive, stock being (in my experience) valued at replacement cost which is on average about the same as the purchase cost so stock and supplier debt are about the same but hopefully you've sold some stock at a profit.

On the other hand rent etc is in arrears so current liabilities overall can easily be more than stock + cash.

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

234 months

Thursday 23rd January 2020
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Dr Jekyll said:
CaptainSlow said:
richthebike said:
Retailers generally have negative working capital. Clearly the important thing is the cash cycle ie selling stuff and getting paid for it before you have to pay for it...
Yep, which is positive working capital, not negative.

ETA
Assuming goods are sold at a profit, if goods are sold at a loss then the working capital would be negative.
On the stock itself plus cash yes, it tends to be slightly positive, stock being (in my experience) valued at replacement cost which is on average about the same as the purchase cost so stock and supplier debt are about the same but hopefully you've sold some stock at a profit.

On the other hand rent etc is in arrears so current liabilities overall can easily be more than stock + cash.
Stock will be lower than supplier debt if you sell it before you pay for it (assuming no positive revaluation).

Under UK/International GAAP stock is valued at the lesser of cost (FIFO or average) and net realisable value (estimated sales value less any sales costs). US GAAP it is the lesser of cost (FIFO, LIFO or average) and market value.




arfur

4,005 posts

236 months

Thursday 23rd January 2020
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLJLKWzZThk

From Producer Michael - a couple of weeks ago

Stock of over 1B$ in store

Worth following the channel for the shop .. it's quite crazy

MarcelM6

587 posts

128 months

Thursday 23rd January 2020
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I looked quite seriously at buying a jewellery retailer recently. Small, family owned for 2 generations, 90% jewellery stock, 10% watch stock. Very good service income (batteries and repairs)

Not a large shop, about 250 sq ft of selling space. Which contained almost £2m stock at cost as lots of small diamonds are required to fill that space.

Margin very good, but stockturn of less than 1 means that a huge amount of cash (capital or debt) is tied up in stock and cashflow is always tight, especially at rent or rate payment dates.

Lots of the old, family owned jewellers are closing, retail is a hard business to be in and with poor economics a purchase makes no sense. They have often built up stock over years or decades, probably often don't know what the latest value of the stock is.


Cotty

41,777 posts

306 months

Thursday 23rd January 2020
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ecain63 said:

Another thing about stock figures is the more you have, the more your insurance costs..... and the equipment needed to secure it all. Obvious statement but that has a big impact on what you choose to stock and how carefully you need to plan ahead.
And if you do get robbed someone like me will have to deal with the insurance claim and get the money out of underwriters. Dealt with lots of armed robberies but the ram raids are the messy ones to sort out.

ctrph

155 posts

147 months

Thursday 23rd January 2020
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So said:
Interesting.

It didn't feel the same this time (it's about 8 years since I last hung around there) and I got a sense more than before that more owners own multiple shops. A couple of shopkeepers said, "oh go and try our other shops X,Y and Z" all of which looked like independent places.

The quantity and quality of stock also seemed lower somehow.

It was the first time that I have had a shopkeeper actually come out into the street to try to sell something to me.

Sure, it's January. But, as you suggest, I didn't get the sense that the place was thriving.
It definitely isn't the same, I have been actively around the trade since 2012 and many of the independent jewellers and workshops have gone, some due to retirement, some due to lack of business. A big influx of residential developments really haven't helped as it has pushed rents up, with it now being a 'trendy' area to live.

There are a couple that have multiple shops, I think the biggest owns 5 around there but they all trade under different names. Some others have come in and the quality of the stuff they sell is crap.

One good thing is that more smaller independents are appearing working out of small workshops, rather than the shops. It has revitalised the trade a little bit a brought some of the community back that had gone.