IWC or Panerai

[vandereydt]

Good morning,
why is chosing this difficult.
Am new to all this

Looking at a IWC FA Jones, in stainless steel

and a Panerai Luminor 8 days GMT PAM 00233 or Marina Automatic PAM 00240

What is your opinion about these watches? Values etc etc

Thanks appreciate all your comments

[CatMatt7]

Personally I would go for the IWC and have in the past, up to 5 IWC's now. I think that they are extremely well made and have not been disappointed.

Possibly the best solution would be to try both on and see which one you like the best.

Good luck and have fun choosing

[markomah]

As always, it's a matter of personal taste but it strikes me that these are two very different watches. The FA Jones is very restrained and classical whereas the Panerai is a lot more contemporary and edgier design-wise. I think you need to try them both and decide which best matches your idea of what the watch should do for you.

Value-wise, I suspect there are far more people on here better able to advise on which would be a better investment. I know the FA Jones is a limited edition but, if memory serves, the stainless steel was made in fairly large numbers. I still see less of them around than I do the Panerais.

Personally, it would be the IWC every time and I came close to buying one a year ago. However, I've never lusted after a Panerai like I have IWCs so my opinion is (as always) of no use to you whatsoever

Enjoy the decision!

M

[Asterix]

I'm with Mark above - both good watches that will be a pleasure to wear.

I also have to agree that I'm seeing more Pans about recently.

Go try both on, sleep on it and the one you want the most in the morning is the one to get.

[vandereydt]

Gentlemen,

thank you for your advice.

indeed I ll sleep on it

Another issue just popped up, the local dealer here has a IWC FA Jones watch, for 8350 euro's. Searching on the net I found prices ranging from 5900 to 7700 euro's , all for new watches unused with papers and certificates.

The local dealer comes up with a story that IWC has fixed prices and that dealers cannot deviate. But they sure had a good point : how can one assess if this is the real thing or just a good scam / fake.

I found these other places through www.chrono24.com

For the dfference, more or less 2500 euro's I could buy a breitling or ..... maybe a second hand Panerai

Lol this would solve the difficultie of choosing

Ronny

PS Mark, nice car, I am running a 2001 C2 Cab

[Asterix]

vandereydt said:

Gentlemen,

thank you for your advice.

indeed I ll sleep on it

Another issue just popped up, the local dealer here has a IWC FA Jones watch, for 8350 euro's. Searching on the net I found prices ranging from 5900 to 7700 euro's , all for new watches unused with papers and certificates.

The local dealer comes up with a story that IWC has fixed prices and that dealers cannot deviate. But they sure had a good point : how can one assess if this is the real thing or just a good scam / fake.

I found these other places through www.chrono24.com

For the dfference, more or less 2500 euro's I could buy a breitling or ..... maybe a second hand Panerai

Lol this would solve the difficultie of choosing

Ronny

PS Mark, nice car, I am running a 2001 C2 Cab

Do you have any other ADs locally that you can try?

My AD here in Dubai for Glashutte Original gave me a price for a PML of $14k - when I said that I could fly to NYC and buy it at list for $9,700 and still save money they relented. They then said that if they could get it for $9,700 would I buy?

Cheeky gits

Edited by Asterix on Monday 26th May 13:12

[markomah]

vandereydt said:

The local dealer comes up with a story that IWC has fixed prices and that dealers cannot deviate.

When I tried one on in Watches of Switzerland on Bond St. last year, they initially told me no discount was possible ("Limited edition, very sought after, etc., etc.") a little gentle probing got them to say they could do 10% off the stainless steel FA Jones and "a little more" off a gold or platinum-cased watch. I suspect there might even have been a bigger discount open if I'd pushed harder.

The dealer in Dublin I bought my Portugaise from took my old watch as a trade-in so I can't really say if he discounted the RRP or just increased the amount he gave me for my trade in.

I do remember that the RRP for the S/S FA Jones in Dublin was €8,950 and a friend of mine bought a 'Laureus edition' IWC Chronograph in Amsterdam recently - having done his homework, he'd established that it was €1,000 cheaper there than in Dublin.

Overall, I agree with Asterix - I'd shop around and if your local AD feels he may lose a good sale, you may find him much more flexible. Your geographical location might make it easier to compare prices across a number of jursidctions as well?

vandereydt said:

But they sure had a good point : how can one assess if this is the real thing or just a good scam / fake.

I suppose there's always a degree of risk but homework can minimise that. I've never bought from watches.co.uk, for example, but having seen the amount of good press they've gotten on here over the years, I'd be reasonably comfortable about buying from them.

vandereydt said:

PS Mark, nice car, I am running a 2001 C2 Cab

I salute your good taste in both watches and cars!

[Asterix]

How funny,

The GO AD has just called and left a message that the watch and strap I wanted has been sent in from another shop.

Damn - this could be an expensive afternoon.

[markomah]

Go on, you know you want to

Seriously, it's a stunning looking watch and I think it'd be a fine addition to any collection. I'm looking forward to your next contribution to the PH Wrist Check thread!

Now, if I could only force myself to stop checking the prices of used GO Senators on the net and actually do some work, I might be able to afford one too!

M

[Asterix]

markomah said:

Go on, you know you want to

Seriously, it's a stunning looking watch and I think it'd be a fine addition to any collection. I'm looking forward to your next contribution to the PH Wrist Check thread!

Now, if I could only force myself to stop checking the prices of used GO Senators on the net and actually do some work, I might be able to afford one too!

M

Luckily my CC doesn't have enough room on it to accomodate the GO thanks to far too many business trips and the bank is shut.

I'm so tempted to though - my only issue is that I'm in Bangkok next week and then London shortly after. I'd like to see if I can get a better deal in either of thier ADs. As I said - thats the problem with monopolies

the A Lange & Sohne place just laughed when I asked for their best price.

I also like the JLC Master Calender but I have a thing for the german watches as the moment.

Edited by Asterix on Monday 26th May 14:41

[ross-456]

vandereydt said:

Good morning,
why is chosing this difficult.
Am new to all this

Looking at a IWC FA Jones, in stainless steel

and a Panerai Luminor 8 days GMT PAM 00233 or Marina Automatic PAM 00240

What is your opinion about these watches? Values etc etc

Thanks appreciate all your comments

As much as I loved the 'style' of my Panerai (PAM104), I couldn't justify it over an IWC. They just seem to be technically a better watch - and very good looking too IMO.

[markomah]

Asterix said:

markomah said:

Go on, you know you want to

Seriously, it's a stunning looking watch and I think it'd be a fine addition to any collection. I'm looking forward to your next contribution to the PH Wrist Check thread!

Now, if I could only force myself to stop checking the prices of used GO Senators on the net and actually do some work, I might be able to afford one too!

M

Luckily my CC doesn't have enough room on it to accomodate the GO thanks to far too many business trips and the bank is shut.

I'm so tempted to though - my only issue is that I'm in Bangkok next week and then London shortly after. I'd like to see if I can get a better deal in either of thier ADs. As I said - thats the problem with monopolies

the A Lange & Sohne place just laughed when I asked for their best price.

I also like the JLC Master Calender but I have a thing for the german watches as the moment.

Edited by Asterix on Monday 26th May 14:41

Hope you get the watch and that it's at a better price than the UAE monopolists want.

Agree with you about the JLC Master Calendar - I think a 40mm Master Control will be the next addition to my collection, for use as a more dressy evening watch.

Let us know if you take the plunge!

M

[Asterix]

Interesting evening actually - went to the GO AD and had a look at the watch with the correct strap I wanted - lovely thing and they decided to drop the price to $9k. That's now a bit below RRP! So if I can't get it any cheaper in the AD in Bangkok next week then I'll get it when I get back.

I also popped into the JLC boutique and while they they didn't have a Master Calender to look at (sold out) it came out around 25% cheaper than the US RRP!!!!

So I asked them to order one in for me to look at - he's not worried if I don't buy as they know they'll get rid immediately anyway.

I'm getting all excited about getting a new watch

[rachelb]

Hi,

Regarding the article on IWC F Jones or Hi,

Regarding the article on IWC F Jones or Panerai Watch was this blog recently or was it a few years ago. I have looked around to purchase an IWC F Jones stainless steel and found that they are as rare as hens teeth. If this is in fact the case that they are difficult to find or is it just me? Do you reacon they will become a collectors item and if you were to find a new one is it advisable to buy it? I look forward to your response.


Rachb

[Seb d]

nice bit of thread resurrection there Over six months old by the looks of things. However, to have a go at answering your question, s/s FAs to come up http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&go... so I guess it's just a case of keeping your eyes open. The cynic in me says that 3000 examples produced isn't nearly as limited as some other watches and judging by the prices in this thread - £7k new from AD, £5600+/- in my link - it's not depreciation proof. Lovely watch though and if you want one, I say go for it.

[sb-1]

That IWC is fantastic,I will have to have one,one day!

[rachelb]

Hi sir
Thanks for your reply the reason I ask about the iwc f Jones is that I live in a small town and there is a iwc f Jones for offer new but in shop I think for over a year no one has bought it as I think they not sure about iwc it must be one of the last of them as the number is 2,445 of 3,000 the old man in shop just wants in to go and has said he take 4,850 , I think that ok what you think

rachelb

[Seb d]

Well I just had a quick look around and I've not found any examples for anywhere near that so I'm going to say that definitely sounds like a good price to me.

[rachelb]

Hi again.

That’s what I was thinking just cant understand why no one can see it’s a good watch. I think its that everyone only thinks Rolex . well up here any way Your right when I ask dealers in London they all said they can’t get any s/s ones any more.


rachelb

[Stu R]

IWC, my favourite watchmakers

I'd surrender my nether regions before my IWC