raymond weil ???
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Maybe you should do some research?
Raymond Weil is as good as almost any other manufacturer. They are a family business that cares about the customer.
Unlike almost all the favoured brands here, they are independent. The history of the company is short, but it is at least continuous and true. Raymond was one of the most sought after designers for others in his youth.
Or does the opinion of other PHer's and their snobbishness and brand hierarchy hang ups matter more?
Raymond Weil is as good as almost any other manufacturer. They are a family business that cares about the customer.
Unlike almost all the favoured brands here, they are independent. The history of the company is short, but it is at least continuous and true. Raymond was one of the most sought after designers for others in his youth.
Or does the opinion of other PHer's and their snobbishness and brand hierarchy hang ups matter more?
Sorry, I was too curt in my first response.
Edited by Shuvi on Tuesday 6th January 23:15
thats a bit shi@@y aint it ???
no not about opinion of look of watch, asking about quality of watch compared to things like omega, baume and mercier and breitling???
in terms of reserch manufactuers websites tend to be a bit biased to their own stuff, so in fact this is research
no not about opinion of look of watch, asking about quality of watch compared to things like omega, baume and mercier and breitling???
in terms of reserch manufactuers websites tend to be a bit biased to their own stuff, so in fact this is research
Edited by budflicker on Tuesday 6th January 23:02
budflicker said:
thats a bit shi@@y aint it ???
no not about opinion of look of watch, asking about quality of watch compared to things like omega, baume and mercier and breitling???
in terms of reserch manufactuers websites tend to be a bit biased to their own stuff, so in fact this is research
I take it you've browsed the watch forum often?no not about opinion of look of watch, asking about quality of watch compared to things like omega, baume and mercier and breitling???
in terms of reserch manufactuers websites tend to be a bit biased to their own stuff, so in fact this is research
Edited by budflicker on Tuesday 6th January 23:02
Subtle bragging, pomposity and brand identity is all.
Yes I pressed submit too early, preview is my friend.
Mea Culpa.
Shuvi said:
budflicker said:
thats a bit shi@@y aint it ???
no not about opinion of look of watch, asking about quality of watch compared to things like omega, baume and mercier and breitling???
in terms of reserch manufactuers websites tend to be a bit biased to their own stuff, so in fact this is research
I take it you've browsed the watch forum often?no not about opinion of look of watch, asking about quality of watch compared to things like omega, baume and mercier and breitling???
in terms of reserch manufactuers websites tend to be a bit biased to their own stuff, so in fact this is research
Edited by budflicker on Tuesday 6th January 23:02
Subtle bragging, pomposity and brand identity is all.
Yes I pressed submit too early, preview is my friend.
Mea Culpa.
budflicker said:
Shuvi said:
budflicker said:
thats a bit shi@@y aint it ???
no not about opinion of look of watch, asking about quality of watch compared to things like omega, baume and mercier and breitling???
in terms of reserch manufactuers websites tend to be a bit biased to their own stuff, so in fact this is research
I take it you've browsed the watch forum often?no not about opinion of look of watch, asking about quality of watch compared to things like omega, baume and mercier and breitling???
in terms of reserch manufactuers websites tend to be a bit biased to their own stuff, so in fact this is research
Edited by budflicker on Tuesday 6th January 23:02
Subtle bragging, pomposity and brand identity is all.
Yes I pressed submit too early, preview is my friend.
Mea Culpa.
I often start and end a thought before filling in the middleYou won't buy a 'lame duck'. You'll buy as good a watch for the price as anywhere, probably better. Just a mis-understood brand.
I'm not alone in thinking only certain brands count here.
budflicker said:
thats a bit shi@@y aint it ???
no not about opinion of look of watch, asking about quality of watch compared to things like omega, baume and mercier and breitling???
in terms of reserch manufactuers websites tend to be a bit biased to their own stuff, so in fact this is research
When you look into it, and consider that Baume et Mercie, Breitling AND Omega (amongst other "high end" brands) all use the ETA/Lemania movements, things start to look a little different. In other words, these "quality" brands are little more than design houses, making casings for masss produced movements.no not about opinion of look of watch, asking about quality of watch compared to things like omega, baume and mercier and breitling???
in terms of reserch manufactuers websites tend to be a bit biased to their own stuff, so in fact this is research
Edited by budflicker on Tuesday 6th January 23:02
ETA is a massive company, churning out various qualities of quartz and mechanical movements for anything from a Swatch to one of the brands mentioned above. That's not to say that an ETA/ Lemania movement is a bad thing. They work very well, and keep time very well, but so does a £7.99 Casio digital.
As far as I can tell, Raymond Weil make their own movements (or at least have them made for them), rather than buying "off the shelf", and for that, I rate them as a more interesting and better "quality" timepiece, and not just an exercise in branding and design.
My every-day watch is a Vostok Europe Metro, which is a mechanical self-winder. Not as fancy as a breitling, but it's mechanical, has a visible movement, was made by Vostok themselves, and at £99 is far more watch for your money. Granted, it doesn't have the bling and bragging rights of a "big name", but i think my willy is large enough, thankyou very much
I keep my 1950's 14ct gold Tiffany & Co mechanical self winder, and Raymond Weil W1 for other occasions.
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I've got 2 parcifals (the top of the range ones!)Raymonds and are both superb.
I have a bi colour dress watch (looks a it old hat though now, wish it was all silver in colour) anyhoo very thin and looks v.classy although its reserved for special occasions.
The other is a crono sports watch (now discontinued) this looks the biz and different to a Brietling or Tag however after having it cleaned at about £100 it keeps losing or gaining time by a few mins although its an auto though and it gets some hammer as i ride my bike to work!
They both make me smile every time i wear them, and to me thats all that matters, I realy could'nt care less what the 'watch snobs' think.
Good Luck and hope this helps
Mark
I have a bi colour dress watch (looks a it old hat though now, wish it was all silver in colour) anyhoo very thin and looks v.classy although its reserved for special occasions.
The other is a crono sports watch (now discontinued) this looks the biz and different to a Brietling or Tag however after having it cleaned at about £100 it keeps losing or gaining time by a few mins although its an auto though and it gets some hammer as i ride my bike to work!
They both make me smile every time i wear them, and to me thats all that matters, I realy could'nt care less what the 'watch snobs' think.
Good Luck and hope this helps
Mark
thehawkswoops said:
I've got 2 parcifals (the top of the range ones!)Raymonds and are both superb.
I have a bi colour dress watch (looks a it old hat though now, wish it was all silver in colour) anyhoo very thin and looks v.classy although its reserved for special occasions.
The other is a crono sports watch (now discontinued) this looks the biz and different to a Brietling or Tag however after having it cleaned at about £100 it keeps losing or gaining time by a few mins although its an auto though and it gets some hammer as i ride my bike to work!
They both make me smile every time i wear them, and to me thats all that matters, I realy could'nt care less what the 'watch snobs' think.
Good Luck and hope this helps
Mark
Top lurkingI have a bi colour dress watch (looks a it old hat though now, wish it was all silver in colour) anyhoo very thin and looks v.classy although its reserved for special occasions.
The other is a crono sports watch (now discontinued) this looks the biz and different to a Brietling or Tag however after having it cleaned at about £100 it keeps losing or gaining time by a few mins although its an auto though and it gets some hammer as i ride my bike to work!
They both make me smile every time i wear them, and to me thats all that matters, I realy could'nt care less what the 'watch snobs' think.
Good Luck and hope this helps
Mark
bishbash said:
thehawkswoops said:
I've got 2 parcifals (the top of the range ones!)Raymonds and are both superb.
I have a bi colour dress watch (looks a it old hat though now, wish it was all silver in colour) anyhoo very thin and looks v.classy although its reserved for special occasions.
The other is a crono sports watch (now discontinued) this looks the biz and different to a Brietling or Tag however after having it cleaned at about £100 it keeps losing or gaining time by a few mins although its an auto though and it gets some hammer as i ride my bike to work!
They both make me smile every time i wear them, and to me thats all that matters, I realy could'nt care less what the 'watch snobs' think.
Good Luck and hope this helps
Mark
Top lurkingI have a bi colour dress watch (looks a it old hat though now, wish it was all silver in colour) anyhoo very thin and looks v.classy although its reserved for special occasions.
The other is a crono sports watch (now discontinued) this looks the biz and different to a Brietling or Tag however after having it cleaned at about £100 it keeps losing or gaining time by a few mins although its an auto though and it gets some hammer as i ride my bike to work!
They both make me smile every time i wear them, and to me thats all that matters, I realy could'nt care less what the 'watch snobs' think.
Good Luck and hope this helps
Mark
thanks for the advice guys, i will post a pic when i get the watch.
thehawkswoops said:
I've got 2 parcifals (the top of the range ones!)Raymonds and are both superb.
I have a bi colour dress watch (looks a it old hat though now, wish it was all silver in colour) anyhoo very thin and looks v.classy although its reserved for special occasions.
The other is a crono sports watch (now discontinued) this looks the biz and different to a Brietling or Tag however after having it cleaned at about £100 it keeps losing or gaining time by a few mins although its an auto though and it gets some hammer as i ride my bike to work!
They both make me smile every time i wear them, and to me thats all that matters, I realy could'nt care less what the 'watch snobs' think.
Good Luck and hope this helps
Mark
Have a stainless steel Parsifal that I bought 15 years ago. Perfect timekeeping, incredibly thin and has only had the battery changed twice, the last time 6 months ago. Sent it away to the UK agents in Surrey somewhere and was serviced and returned within 7 days.I have a bi colour dress watch (looks a it old hat though now, wish it was all silver in colour) anyhoo very thin and looks v.classy although its reserved for special occasions.
The other is a crono sports watch (now discontinued) this looks the biz and different to a Brietling or Tag however after having it cleaned at about £100 it keeps losing or gaining time by a few mins although its an auto though and it gets some hammer as i ride my bike to work!
They both make me smile every time i wear them, and to me thats all that matters, I realy could'nt care less what the 'watch snobs' think.
Good Luck and hope this helps
Mark
My Wife bought me a Raymond Weil Tango last year, I took it back, the dial wasn't straight and the print on the face wasn't legible. It was exchanged towards a Breitling. Whilst I think the Nabucco with the carbon fibre inserts is a fantastic looking watch, for me, it's priced way to high.
Stef
Stef
What Shuvi was referring to is the usual watch-geek attitude that 'watchmakers' who merely design cases and then bung entirely bought-in movements inside are in some way inferior to the produce of manufactures who actually build their own movements.
Think of it as the difference between a small-volume car manufacturer who exclusively uses bought-in engines and a manufacturer who designs and builds their own engines. Lotus compared to Ferrari, so to speak.
I used to be quite dogmatic about this, if you dredge up some of my old posts you'll see that I was pretty strident about expensively-branded watches using ETA movements (if you didn't know, ETA is a large Swiss conglomerate that bought up most of the independent movement (ebauche) manufacturers when the bottom dropped out of the mechanical watch market due to Quartz back in the seventies - most 'third-party' watches use an ETA movement... think of them as the small-block Chevy or Rover V8 of movements). You could easily describe my attitude as 'snobbishness' and I think Shuvi may have called me on it in the past
I've somewhat changed my attitude about this. I still think that the watch builders (note, not manufactures) with big brand names and incredibly high prices who still use ETA movements are simply not good value for money, and that in these cases you're paying an enormous premium for the brand and image. There's no real analogy in the car world because manufacturers who use bought-in engines naturally assume a lower price point. If Lotus were to sell a car with a crate Chevy V8 but price it in Ferrari territory, then it wouldn't sell, for example.
However I have no problem with the less expensive brands that use bought-in ébauches - why should I? They're not bunging a £50 ETA movement in a fancy case and then selling the watch for £1000s, like Hublot, Breitling, Panerai and some Franck Mullers.
In my case I'm now reserving the snobbery for watch companies that price their pieces at manufacture money. I'm not a great fan of Rolex any more, but IMO a good watch that is priced at Rolex or above money should have an in-house movement, or at least a movement so well modified that it's not really recognisable as a base ETA any more.
Since Raymond Weil don't take the piss with pricing, knowing that the watch *does* have an ETA movement inside is actually a good thing, since ETA movements are actually very good - very reliable and serviceable, with decades of development and refinement.
Bit of a rambling post but the crux of the matter is that unless you're a movement geek, or if you're spending many thousands, choose a watch design that you like. There are cheaper firms that use the same movements and materials as Raymond Weil - but since all of these mid-market watches have an identical formula (in-house design, third-party movement) it really comes down to your personal taste. Raymond Weil have been in the market a long time and produce some elegant designs.
What I would recommend is not to spend 'proper' money on a quartz watch unless it's a 'jewellery' watch for a lady.
Think of it as the difference between a small-volume car manufacturer who exclusively uses bought-in engines and a manufacturer who designs and builds their own engines. Lotus compared to Ferrari, so to speak.
I used to be quite dogmatic about this, if you dredge up some of my old posts you'll see that I was pretty strident about expensively-branded watches using ETA movements (if you didn't know, ETA is a large Swiss conglomerate that bought up most of the independent movement (ebauche) manufacturers when the bottom dropped out of the mechanical watch market due to Quartz back in the seventies - most 'third-party' watches use an ETA movement... think of them as the small-block Chevy or Rover V8 of movements). You could easily describe my attitude as 'snobbishness' and I think Shuvi may have called me on it in the past
I've somewhat changed my attitude about this. I still think that the watch builders (note, not manufactures) with big brand names and incredibly high prices who still use ETA movements are simply not good value for money, and that in these cases you're paying an enormous premium for the brand and image. There's no real analogy in the car world because manufacturers who use bought-in engines naturally assume a lower price point. If Lotus were to sell a car with a crate Chevy V8 but price it in Ferrari territory, then it wouldn't sell, for example.
However I have no problem with the less expensive brands that use bought-in ébauches - why should I? They're not bunging a £50 ETA movement in a fancy case and then selling the watch for £1000s, like Hublot, Breitling, Panerai and some Franck Mullers.
In my case I'm now reserving the snobbery for watch companies that price their pieces at manufacture money. I'm not a great fan of Rolex any more, but IMO a good watch that is priced at Rolex or above money should have an in-house movement, or at least a movement so well modified that it's not really recognisable as a base ETA any more.
Since Raymond Weil don't take the piss with pricing, knowing that the watch *does* have an ETA movement inside is actually a good thing, since ETA movements are actually very good - very reliable and serviceable, with decades of development and refinement.
Bit of a rambling post but the crux of the matter is that unless you're a movement geek, or if you're spending many thousands, choose a watch design that you like. There are cheaper firms that use the same movements and materials as Raymond Weil - but since all of these mid-market watches have an identical formula (in-house design, third-party movement) it really comes down to your personal taste. Raymond Weil have been in the market a long time and produce some elegant designs.
What I would recommend is not to spend 'proper' money on a quartz watch unless it's a 'jewellery' watch for a lady.
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