Breitling : In House Movement.

[Bibbs]

www.breitling.com/calibreB01/pdf/GB_Moleskine.pdf

Looks like they are moving away from the ETA movements.

[olic]

I was looking at SOH the other week the AD told me that the movements are made from bits borrowed from others base plates from Jaeger rotors from rolex etc dont jnow if thats true or spin?
he suggested there were a true manufacture?

[Bibbs]

From what I understand a lot of their chrono stuff is 7750 or 7753 based.

And as ETA seem to be restricting sales and upping prices, a few companies are now making their own movements.

[TheEnd]

It's the Swiss revolution.
ETA originally decided to stop selling movements to other manufacturers (for ETA, read Swatch)
A court case ruled that it was unfair to create a virtual monopoly then cut of supplies, so they had to carry on producing movements for a few more years before the pull out. This was to give watchmakers a chance to source/create other movements.

You'll start to see a lot of this happening soon.

[Mr Noble]

Could this mean that the fakers start to find it harder and harder to make copies in future?

Don't they get all their movements for the $30 fakes from ETA?

Are there other similar companies producing very cheap automatic movements too?

It'd be great to finally start to stamp out these copies, or at least make it very easy to tell them apart.

Kind of takes the edge off a happy purchase of a new Panerai, when your mate returns from Dubai with exactly the same watch that he paid £30 for, you start to wonder what the other £3350 was for!!!

[tertius]

Mr Noble said:

Could this mean that the fakers start to find it harder and harder to make copies in future?

Don't they get all their movements for the $30 fakes from ETA?

Are there other similar companies producing very cheap automatic movements too?

It'd be great to finally start to stamp out these copies, or at least make it very easy to tell them apart.

Kind of takes the edge off a happy purchase of a new Panerai, when your mate returns from Dubai with exactly the same watch that he paid £30 for, you start to wonder what the other £3350 was for!!!

Can't see it making a difference myself - don't think that many fakes had genuine ETA movements they would mainly be Chinese (without wanting to start the discussion about where ETA movements are really made).

Quite apart from anything else, I don't think you'll find many ETA movements are available at a price to suit a $30 fake.

Also the fakers rarely care if the movement they put in actually has the same functionality or layout of the movement it was faking - e.g. all the Breitling fakes with 24 hour hand where the 12-hour chrono register should be.

[Mr Noble]

I must say, rather comically, the Panerai chrono that my mate (now, ex-mate);) came back from Dubai with had the two chrono pushers, but they actually just advanced each of the two small dials one space forward. The stopwatch hand was static and the small dials had now corolation to any horologistic thing I've seen this side of a 12th century horoscope! ie, they had sweet FA to do with time!

What a waste of time

[Bibbs]

There appears to be two levels of replicas.

The $30 tat that has the calendar function on the chonos for example (so day/month, not mins/hours).

And then the $300, which use clone ETA movements and look/work very close to the genuine article.