Ebay Seiko watches

[was8v]

Looking at one of these: Seiko SKX013



Cheapest I can see is: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am... at £52 delivered.

BUT.... what do you suppose this means:

ebm503 said:

This watch is newly assembled the case still have plastic cover dial, hands ,bezel and crown are all original and new came from Japan in bulk then assembled by the proffesional watch makers

the crown and case back still have blue plastic sticker protection against scratches

Have they got a job load of parts and assembled themselves?! How odd....

Also it appears the have a "V" where the date should be - any ideas?

[Bibbs]

EDIT : Not the one I was looking at yesterday!

I was looking at one like this :

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VINTAGE-SEIKO-6309-7040-6309...

But it was more subtle on the 'aftermarket' stuff.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEIKO-200M-SCUBA-DIVERS-AUTO...

ebay said:

PRE-OWNED
...
NEW AFTERMARKET ORANGE DIAL
NEW AFTERMARKET HANDS
...
UNIDIRECTIONAL ROTATING STAINLESS STEEL BEZEL WITH NEW AFTERMARKET INSERT, CLICKS!
...
NO WATERPROOF/PRESSURE TESTS CONDUCTED
...
NEW AFTERMARKET STAINLESS STEEL BRACELET, WILL FIT A 7.5 INCH WRIST APPROX.
NO BOX/PAPERS BUT GUARANTEED AUTHENTIC OR YOUR MONEY BACK!

Edited by Bibbs on Friday 23 April 11:49

[was8v]

Bibbs said:

Look at the details - aftermarket, dial, hands and strap I think it said.

In other words, it's a fake, and they are saying it's a fake.

But why fake a £100 watch and sell for £50...?

ebay seller said:

Black dial with lumibrite hands and markers
Stainless steel case and screw case-back
Rubber strap

...........

This item is guaranteed to be 100% authentic and Brand New .

Looks the same as this to me (with the exception of day/date thingy):
http://www.creationwatches.com/products/seiko-dive...

Can any experts confirm its a fake?! Should I run a mile?!

[Bibbs]

was8v said:

But why fake a £100 watch and sell for £50...?

Because it makes you £50?

The problem is the movements are cheap and mass produced.
It'll be the same movement in a fake expensive watch.

The fake Rolex will make them £150, the fake Seiko will make £50. So fake both of them. Widen your market.

I'd not buy anything from Asia, unless I was happy with a fake.

You'd be able to tell if it was without a lupe, a case opener and a genuine watch next to it.

Edited by Bibbs on Friday 23 April 12:06

[stewy68]

I've had this since 1980 and have been looking for an original bracelet for it. Anyone got any ideas as I don't want to risk a fake bracelet.

[Bibbs]

Worth a read?
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=5670...

[ShadownINja]

Bibbs said:

was8v said:

But why fake a £100 watch and sell for £50...?

Because it makes you £50?

The problem is the movements are cheap and mass produced.
It'll be the same movement in a fake expensive watch.

The fake Rolex will make them £150, the fake Seiko will make £50. So fake both of them. Widen your market.

I'd not buy anything from Asia, unless I was happy with a fake.

You'd be able to tell if it was without a lupe, a case opener and a genuine watch next to it.

Edited by Bibbs on Friday 23 April 12:06

Is it a fake? Or just modified? If it's a modified original, it could go for >£100. I'm confused by the ad, tbh.

[Bibbs]

ShadownINja said:

Is it a fake? Or just modified? If it's a modified original, it could go for >£100. I'm confused by the ad, tbh.

Couldn't tell until it was infront of me, and then it's too late.

And who says that the pics are not 'real' and the watch you get isn't?

[ShadownINja]

Well, yes, TBH I wouldn't trust anything on Epray. I don't have an account for a very good reason. (Actually, I do, but it screamed SCAM when it asked for my credit card details when I wasn't buying anything so I've left it at that stage of the registration process.)

Edited by ShadownINja on Friday 23 April 13:01

[eccles]

ShadownINja said:

Bibbs said:

was8v said:

But why fake a £100 watch and sell for £50...?

Because it makes you £50?

The problem is the movements are cheap and mass produced.
It'll be the same movement in a fake expensive watch.

The fake Rolex will make them £150, the fake Seiko will make £50. So fake both of them. Widen your market.

I'd not buy anything from Asia, unless I was happy with a fake.

You'd be able to tell if it was without a lupe, a case opener and a genuine watch next to it.

Edited by Bibbs on Friday 23 April 12:06

Is it a fake? Or just modified? If it's a modified original, it could go for >£100. I'm confused by the ad, tbh.

I'd say it's 'modified' or you could even say a restored watch with non original parts.

At the moment these Seiko divers a flavour of the month and to feed the demand there's a big market in aftermarket parts, some of which are dead accurate, some not so.
So if you want an old Seiko diver, but don't want a bit of age to it, then you go aftermarket, usually for the face, hands and bezel insert.

The 'fake' Rolex mentioned above will have no original parts, at least most of the Seiko's have an original movement and case.


Just editing to add that the 'V' on the date is quite normal and it usually alternates with the english, French etc other language.

Edited by eccles on Saturday 24th April 16:46

[Hoover.]

I was looking at this as an everyday knock about watch...... you've now made nervous following all the links posted

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEIKO-AUTOMATIC-SUBMARINER-2...

[Bibbs]

Hoover. said:

I was looking at this as an everyday knock about watch...... you've now made nervous following all the links posted

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEIKO-AUTOMATIC-SUBMARINER-2...

The 'usual' issue with fakes is the lume & pearl.

Lume is usually rubbish, but people then get them re-lumed or just get a genuine dial. Seiko's are known for their amazing lume, my monster will glow bright if I walk to a dark corner of the office or cup my hand over it.

Then

Look at the pearl of this :



And compare it to this :



On this example you'll also see the '4' on the '45' on the bezel isn't quite right (none of the numbers are crisp), the white date wheels are also a give away.

[Bibbs]

Looking at the divers ..

http://quartzimodo.com/articles/how-to-spot-a-fake...

website said:

Top left: Fake SKX007 Arrow-tip second hand and white "Diver’s 200m" text signifies this is not the real thing. Authentic SKX007s have a lumed ball on the opposite end of the second hand.

There are then some pics of the good fakes.

[Riki]

stewy.
try that shop next remnant kings in hamilton.remember its upstairs,they should be able to trace one for you.

stewy68 said:

I've had this since 1980 and have been looking for an original bracelet for it. Anyone got any ideas as I don't want to risk a fake bracelet.

[ShadownINja]

Bibbs said:

The date disc is the wrong colour, too.

[936ADL]

You're right about the lume on Monsters.

I've just taken delivery of an Orange monster and the lume if the best i've ever seen.

Perhaps we need a lume thread.......

[ShadownINja]

936ADL said:

You're right about the lume on Monsters.

I've just taken delivery of an Orange monster and the lume if the best i've ever seen.

Perhaps we need a lume thread.......

I think there was one last year you can add to. It is amazing, though. Walk past a window and your arm is burning.

[Carparticus]

stewy68 said:

I've had this since 1980 and have been looking for an original bracelet for it. Anyone got any ideas as I don't want to risk a fake bracelet.

That’s a 7A28 from around 1983! Not that I'm a watch geek

I too regularly wear one and have dozens of different variations. And besides being a good looking chronograph, the tactile / clicky buttons are very good for track days !

Which strap type are you after ? There's quite a few varieties. You can often find original straps on ebay for £10-£30. Alternatively, just buy a dead 7A28 or 7A38 with strap, for maybe £20. Being stainless steel, they are very easy 'brush' back to almost new looking.

[Bibbs]

ShadownINja said:

Bibbs said:

The date disc is the wrong colour, too.

Yup, but the date discs are white on the orange dialed ones.

[Nolar Dog]

Just to resurrect this...

I just bought this tonight:





Aftermarket dial, hands, bezel insert and crystal.
Original case and caseback, polished/buffed to "like new", original crown, bezel and movement.

I love it.
Might have to get another and bead blast one of them.