franck muller crazy hours replica movment
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please dont shoot me down in flames! i am wanting to try to make my own watch by machining the strap,casing and face, but getting a stock movement. as opposed to getting a normal eta type movement i am wanting to get something different and like the idea of a movement along the line of the crazy hours.
is there anywhere i can buy a movement from which would do this? all i can find via google is replica site where i could in theory buy the watch strip it down and use the movement, but dont really want to assit that kind of trade.
should i give in and just buy a replica as seen them for around £75, or is it possible to buy a reputable makers movement with the jumping hours?
Thanks for reading and have a good day.
is there anywhere i can buy a movement from which would do this? all i can find via google is replica site where i could in theory buy the watch strip it down and use the movement, but dont really want to assit that kind of trade.
should i give in and just buy a replica as seen them for around £75, or is it possible to buy a reputable makers movement with the jumping hours?
Thanks for reading and have a good day.
think you rright as looking at the face there is definite symmetry in the way the number are laid out even though on first glance it looks random.
would i be able to get any movement altered to make this occurr, or is it a specific movement required?
i have no knowledge at all about how to do watch movements and am coming at this purely as a way of machining my own watch and putting in a pre made movement.
would i be able to get any movement altered to make this occurr, or is it a specific movement required?
i have no knowledge at all about how to do watch movements and am coming at this purely as a way of machining my own watch and putting in a pre made movement.
kazste said:
think you rright as looking at the face there is definite symmetry in the way the number are laid out even though on first glance it looks random.
would i be able to get any movement altered to make this occurr, or is it a specific movement required?
i have no knowledge at all about how to do watch movements and am coming at this purely as a way of machining my own watch and putting in a pre made movement.
I think the gear that controls the hour hand would need to move 4x faster IYSWIM. Think about it. If you could machine a gear and replace this... but if they're already knocking out fakes, you could buy a fake and steal the movement.would i be able to get any movement altered to make this occurr, or is it a specific movement required?
i have no knowledge at all about how to do watch movements and am coming at this purely as a way of machining my own watch and putting in a pre made movement.
Then again, you could machine the entire movement from scratch and create a new business?
Edited by ShadownINja on Wednesday 21st July 02:11
see this is the dilema, if it is even possible to buy a movement from somewhere it would cost me significantly more than just buying the replica. but im not sure i want to be part of the replica problem.
have sent eta a mail asking if they could provide such a movement and if so at what price. will report my findings just in case anyone is interested.
have sent eta a mail asking if they could provide such a movement and if so at what price. will report my findings just in case anyone is interested.
Already been done, sadly.
The real FM movement is a modded ETA (the hour hand is rigged to 'jump hour' spec and then changed to jump 5 hours at a time instead of one - look at the dial) and the fake guys worked that one out pretty rapido.
Franck Muller uses a top-end chronometer grade 2892 as the base (IIRC) and (due to size and compatibility) hence the replica guys use the readily available 2824-2 (clone ETAs made by a few of the 'reputable' Chinese watchmakers) and do the same modifications for the 5-jump-hour. Some dodgy types advertise 'replica Crazy Hours' watches as using 2892 movements but they're talking s
te. The real, functioning replica Crazy Hours movement out there is based on a clone 2824-2. Nothing wrong with that, but the 2892 is a higher grade movement than the 2824-2.
So you could just buy the rep and pull it apart to see how it's done…. in fact, given that the real issues with top-end fake watches are all in QC, taking one of those, disassembling the movement to see how it's done, then cleaning and reassembling it correctly lubricated, would result in a watch that'd be reliable and pretty damn hard to distinguish from a real FM…. not that I'm advocating that, of course. But it's one of the few cases in which the counterfeit guys actually went to real lengths to replicate a *movement* function - the other is the steel Rolex Daytona, with their constant desperate attempts to squeeze a 7750 chrono into the case and line the subdials up in the right places, and perhaps the latest 'clone 3135' efforts to make the readily-available ETA 2836-2 clones 'look' cosmetically like real Rolex 3135 movements (the archetypal replica Rolex, the fake Sub, is now so damn accurate externally that they're trying to make the watch look identical inside too….)
The real FM movement is a modded ETA (the hour hand is rigged to 'jump hour' spec and then changed to jump 5 hours at a time instead of one - look at the dial) and the fake guys worked that one out pretty rapido.
Franck Muller uses a top-end chronometer grade 2892 as the base (IIRC) and (due to size and compatibility) hence the replica guys use the readily available 2824-2 (clone ETAs made by a few of the 'reputable' Chinese watchmakers) and do the same modifications for the 5-jump-hour. Some dodgy types advertise 'replica Crazy Hours' watches as using 2892 movements but they're talking s
te. The real, functioning replica Crazy Hours movement out there is based on a clone 2824-2. Nothing wrong with that, but the 2892 is a higher grade movement than the 2824-2.So you could just buy the rep and pull it apart to see how it's done…. in fact, given that the real issues with top-end fake watches are all in QC, taking one of those, disassembling the movement to see how it's done, then cleaning and reassembling it correctly lubricated, would result in a watch that'd be reliable and pretty damn hard to distinguish from a real FM…. not that I'm advocating that, of course. But it's one of the few cases in which the counterfeit guys actually went to real lengths to replicate a *movement* function - the other is the steel Rolex Daytona, with their constant desperate attempts to squeeze a 7750 chrono into the case and line the subdials up in the right places, and perhaps the latest 'clone 3135' efforts to make the readily-available ETA 2836-2 clones 'look' cosmetically like real Rolex 3135 movements (the archetypal replica Rolex, the fake Sub, is now so damn accurate externally that they're trying to make the watch look identical inside too….)
I've only read about the Crazy Hours, never seen one in the metal, but ISTR that the movement doesn't "creep" from one hour to the next, but jumps from one hour to the next.
That would make sense to me, because otherwise it would be very difficult to read the time because (say) 3:20 would have the hour end nowhere near "3" or "4".
That would make sense to me, because otherwise it would be very difficult to read the time because (say) 3:20 would have the hour end nowhere near "3" or "4".
yes it jumps from hour to hour without any creep.
just to be clear i am not trying to make the movement myself as have absolutely no skills in that department! i just feel like machining myself a watch and etching myself a watch face as a challange and was trying to think of a nice interesting movement to put in it, i was initially trying to see if a movement along the lines of the harry winston opus 9 (http://www.wristdreams.com/archives/2009/03/harry_winston_o.html) or urwerk style movements, but can't find anyone who makes these at a price which is reasonable considering through trial and error i may have to buy more than one. therefore i moved onto the idea of a more normal watch but with the interesting concept of the crazy hours, the problem i obviously have is that i cant begin to start thinking about machining anything until i have worked out what type of movement i will use, as a casing suitable for a more normal watch would not be suitable for something urwerkish (did i just make a new word!).
have sent mail to eta to find out if they would be willing to supply me 2 movements capable of this and at what cost, otherwise back (again) to the drawing board.
hope this makes sense as a little sleep deprived now
just to be clear i am not trying to make the movement myself as have absolutely no skills in that department! i just feel like machining myself a watch and etching myself a watch face as a challange and was trying to think of a nice interesting movement to put in it, i was initially trying to see if a movement along the lines of the harry winston opus 9 (http://www.wristdreams.com/archives/2009/03/harry_winston_o.html) or urwerk style movements, but can't find anyone who makes these at a price which is reasonable considering through trial and error i may have to buy more than one. therefore i moved onto the idea of a more normal watch but with the interesting concept of the crazy hours, the problem i obviously have is that i cant begin to start thinking about machining anything until i have worked out what type of movement i will use, as a casing suitable for a more normal watch would not be suitable for something urwerkish (did i just make a new word!).
have sent mail to eta to find out if they would be willing to supply me 2 movements capable of this and at what cost, otherwise back (again) to the drawing board.
hope this makes sense as a little sleep deprived now
http://www.ofrei.com/page1119.html
this any good. they have loads of movements on this site.
ETA - list of movements
http://www.ofrei.com/WatchMaterials.html
this any good. they have loads of movements on this site.
ETA - list of movements
http://www.ofrei.com/WatchMaterials.html
Edited by Brabus Jord on Wednesday 21st July 17:23
Cheers for the help so far. No email yet from eta with regards the movement, I'm getting restless now and want to get moving. Have spoken to getat who whilst are basically selling copies they are also seemingly fairly upfront and trustworthy, they will provide me with movements but these would be just normal movements.
If I found a movement with the jumping hours is it an easy.modification to make it skip like the crazy hours that a jeweller should be able to do? I really want to avoid buying a fake watch as don't like the other associations that normally come with these types of companies.
I will post pictures of either the finished project or me whimpering in a corner whichever comes first!
If I found a movement with the jumping hours is it an easy.modification to make it skip like the crazy hours that a jeweller should be able to do? I really want to avoid buying a fake watch as don't like the other associations that normally come with these types of companies.
I will post pictures of either the finished project or me whimpering in a corner whichever comes first!
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