How much to get concorde in the air again?
How much to get concorde in the air again?
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big bloke

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1,607 posts

193 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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If BA could be persuaded to let someone return a concorde to flying condition, how much would it cost, and what would be involved in recomisioning one.

I'm guessing the answers are lots, and lots

The Nur

9,168 posts

214 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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I don't particularly care how much it would be, I just want to see them fly again.

elster

17,517 posts

239 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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big bloke said:
If BA could be persuaded to let someone return a concorde to flying condition, how much would it cost, and what would be involved in recomisioning one.

I'm guessing the answers are lots, and lots
Answer is not very much financial.

It wont happen though, paperwork wise.

Richard Branson offered to buy them to keep them running... denied.

The EASA to not want them to fly.

Edited by elster on Saturday 12th November 19:20

davepoth

29,395 posts

228 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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Airbus (who are the design authority) didn't want it to fly either. Given the number of people worldwide who would want one back in the air again money wouldn't be the issue at all.

Gizmo!

18,150 posts

238 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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In which case... how much to build a new plane that coincidentally happens to look like one?

Like that Eagle E-type.

ATTAK Z

18,961 posts

218 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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Gizmo! said:
In which case... how much to build a new plane that coincidentally happens to look like one?
ask the Russians .... they did a good job of a look-a-like

mph1977

12,467 posts

197 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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big bloke said:
If BA could be persuaded to let someone return a concorde to flying condition, how much would it cost, and what would be involved in recomisioning one.

I'm guessing the answers are lots, and lots
that's not the problem it's the fact that the IP of the design authority owned by the French is locked away and the froggies / Airbus aren't interested in either selling it to someone suitable or actively remaining the Design Authority. BAe iirc were happy to sell their parts of the DA ...



spikeyhead

20,350 posts

226 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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I know very littles of the detailed design, but do have a vague idea that the computer memory for the landing gear is magnetic core, about an 8" cube for 1k of RAM.

I'd rather a new one was designed.

Bugeyeandy

12,565 posts

226 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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elster said:
Answer is not very much financial.

It wont happen though, paperwork wise.

Richard Branson offered to buy them to keep them running... denied.

The EASA to not want them to fly.

Edited by elster on Saturday 12th November 19:20
10 to 15 million quid back in 2007.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-457881/Bra...

Simpo Two

92,670 posts

294 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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spikeyhead said:
I know very littles of the detailed design, but do have a vague idea that the computer memory for the landing gear is magnetic core, about an 8" cube for 1k of RAM.
Why does an undercarriage need a memory? Why do UP and DOWN, worked by a little lever, suddenly not work?

big bloke

Original Poster:

1,607 posts

193 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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why does no company who are involved in the plane want it back in the air?

jains15

1,013 posts

202 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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spikeyhead said:
I'd rather a new one was designed.
This. 1,000,000%
British designed & built of course

mph1977

12,467 posts

197 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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big bloke said:
why does no company who are involved in the plane want it back in the air?
Concorde was never a profit maker for Air France, Airbus are embarrased about the AF problems with the aircraft ... where BA ran it at an operating profit and saw it as a the 'Halo' brand

eharding

14,648 posts

313 months

Saturday 12th November 2011
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big bloke said:
why does no company who are involved in the plane want it back in the air?
Because nobody today thinks a supersonic passenger transport can break even, much less make a profit.

Much less that you would try to make an ancient example airworthy again, to keep the spotter brigade happy.

There was a time that it was really worth the Concorde ticket price for a master-of-the-universe to get from London to New York at Mach 2 - but then they worked out how to do business over the network.

For much the same reason, nobody is interested in a new supersonic transport.


jurbie

2,440 posts

230 months

Sunday 13th November 2011
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300KPH

172 posts

207 months

Sunday 13th November 2011
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Would the return to flight of the Vulcan not been more of an uphill struggle? Outside the UK this aircraft would not be so well known by the general public and 558s last flight was in 1993 I think untill it returned to the air in 2007, I just seen on their website it cost £7 million to get it back flying. But it now uses 4 brand new engines which were in storage since 1982.

Concorde would probably have been mentioned at some point in everyones education over the last 40 years so has a much wider outreach in my opinion, but if the forces that be dont want it to fly then it may not have a future back in the air.

The Vulcan first flew in 1952 and Concrde in 1969 and it was in active service untill later so you would think getting Concorde back in the air might be easier? But then again I think the period of the 50s throug the 70s would have been when aircraft were starting to make massive jumps both their perfomance and complexity against what was in the air before that.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

290 months

Sunday 13th November 2011
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There were a lot more Vulcans built than Concordes, so more presumably more spares lying about. If the will to fly it was there at a high enough level presumably the paperwork problems with Airbus could be got round by sticking a military registration on it. Sheer cost would be the problem, making a few new engines for example.

If we're going to dream let's dream of a Concorde MK2. More seats, enough range to do LHR to LAX in one hop, and tell the anti sonic boom brigade to buy earplugs and stop whinging.

Wacky Racer

41,246 posts

276 months

FourWheelDrift

92,237 posts

313 months

Sunday 13th November 2011
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ATTAK Z said:
ask the Russians .... they did a good job of a look-a-like
That one still flies, in Microsoft Flight Simulator wink

nlldavies

270 posts

260 months

Sunday 13th November 2011
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FourWheelDrift said:
That one still flies, in Microsoft Flight Simulator wink
Didn't fly so well in real life - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpPaaP1IIe8