Fake Spitfire
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mybrainhurts

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90,809 posts

278 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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Followed a Range Rover, towing a trailer with a replica Spitfire, sans wings, today near Worksop.

This wasn't an accurate plastic static replica, it looked like an existing aircraft that had been remodelled to look like a Spitfire.

What's that all about, then..?

Eric Mc

124,812 posts

288 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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Not a clue unless you can give more details. There are quite a few fibreglass non-flying Spitfres around.

mybrainhurts

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90,809 posts

278 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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No, it was a flying machine, not a static display. Three bladed prop, but blade shape nothing like a Spitfire and fuselage ahead of the cockpit not at all correct.

ninja-lewis

5,229 posts

213 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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There are a couple of kit Spitfires knocking about at various scales (65%-100%). Some of them bear very little resemblence to the original but are marked up in RAF wartime markings anyway.

The Spitfire Mk 26 (http://www.supermarineaircraft.com/) in particular has removable wings and there about 10 of them on the UK register.

There are other light aircraft that take design cues from the Spitfire - e.g. the Silence Twister.

mybrainhurts

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278 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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Just found this. I reckon it was one of these. What an abortion...

http://spitfiresite.com/2011/01/spitfires-for-the-...


mybrainhurts

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90,809 posts

278 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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Oh dear...Merlin, it is not..hehe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4biMi_2Mmy8

XG332

3,927 posts

211 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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Followed this oh the M5 last year.

eharding

14,648 posts

307 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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mybrainhurts said:
Just found this. I reckon it was one of these. What an abortion...

http://spitfiresite.com/2011/01/spitfires-for-the-...

hehe

If you want to see a right old bunfight, have a look at what happened over on the Flyer Forum when Carolyn Grace had a pop at the Mk.26 fraternity being styled as 'Spitfire Pilots'.

LAA Magazine letter from Carolyn Grace


Slyjoe

1,578 posts

234 months

Monday 20th February 2012
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There are 90% replicas flying out of Enstone aerodrome - I believe they are powered by subaru boxer engines.

http://www.enstoneflyingclub.co.uk/pwpcontrol.php?...


mybrainhurts

Original Poster:

90,809 posts

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Monday 20th February 2012
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eharding said:
hehe

If you want to see a right old bunfight, have a look at what happened over on the Flyer Forum when Carolyn Grace had a pop at the Mk.26 fraternity being styled as 'Spitfire Pilots'.

LAA Magazine letter from Carolyn Grace
I think I'd better hide...hehe

Simpo Two

91,395 posts

288 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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Her letter makes perfect sense. Some of the 26ers seem to have rather a chip.

Fat Albert

1,461 posts

204 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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Saw one display at Old Warden a few years ago, and if you ignore the sound, they look fairly realistic in their 'sit' in the air and could be confused with the real one at a distance:


Siko

2,065 posts

265 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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Simpo Two said:
Her letter makes perfect sense. Some of the 26ers seem to have rather a chip.
Maybe....I had the 'pleasure' of meeting her and her son at an airshow a few years ago. The letter comes across as arrogant to me, which sums up my impression of them in the flesh. Sure they're nice enough if you also own a 'real' Spitfire :-)

OldJohnnyYen

1,455 posts

172 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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Slyjoe said:
There are 90% replicas flying out of Enstone aerodrome - I believe they are powered by subaru boxer engines.

http://www.enstoneflyingclub.co.uk/pwpcontrol.php?...
Another option is the VAG 1.8 Turbo.

Simpo Two

91,395 posts

288 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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Fat Albert said:
Saw one display at Old Warden a few years ago, and if you ignore the sound, they look fairly realistic in their 'sit' in the air
I thought it sat more like an Me108 actually!

Personally it doens't bother me whether Ms Grace is arrogant or not; she's South African I believe and they can sound arrogant even if they're not. But for people with pretend airplanes to be upset about her having a real one is rather petty IMHO. Spitfire - bragging rights. No Spitfire - no rights.

Eric Mc

124,812 posts

288 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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Unless you are building a full size replica, it isn't that easy to make a smaller replica excatly the same as the original. You start getting into aerodynamic, weight and balance problems which ususlly means that certain aspects of the design have to be compromised, such as size of wings or tailplane/tailfin.

OldJohnnyYen

1,455 posts

172 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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They are meant to handle the same more than anything else.

Hooli

32,278 posts

223 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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Bedazzled said:
If they are going to the trouble of building a replica Spit, why didn't they make it the same shape as the original?
& indeed the right size.

Eric Mc

124,812 posts

288 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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For a full size Spitfire replica to fly and behave like a real Spitfire, it needs at least a 1,000 hp piston engine. There aren't that many around - other than refurbished Merlins. So, you might as well make a full scale honest to goodness reproduction rather than a replica.

Indeed, many of the recently restored airworthy Spitfires are really reproductions with up to 80% of the airframe being essentially new-build.

Someone did have a go with a Jaguar V12 engined replica of the prototype. It was mainly wooden and didn't fly that well. It crashed a couple of times and eventually became a static exhibit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWSvKT6h3ro

Eric Mc

124,812 posts

288 months

Tuesday 21st February 2012
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Most engines in replica Spits are a LOT lighter than a Merlin (or Griffon) - so there are definitely going to be centre of gravity and weight differences compared to a real one.

Even that full size woooden replica would have been almost completely different in feel to the real prototype. The only thing it had in common with the original was that it had a Spitfire shape and a 12 cylinder engine.

It still looked good though.