Escape from Colditz Ch4 9pm
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Amused2death

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225 months

Monday 13th August 2012
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Monday night Ch4, 9pm.

Quote.."Near the end of the Second World War, a group of British officers dreamt up an audacious plan to escape from the high-security Nazi prison using a two-man glider made from bed sheets and floorboards. They hoped to fly to freedom from the roof of the castle, but the conflict ended before they could put their plan into action. Here, Cambridge University's Hugh Hunt, whose uncle was a prisoner in Colditz, leads a team of aeronautical engineers and carpenters as they rebuild the glider in the attic where the original was constructed and attempt to see if the mission would have succeeded."

Could be good smile

FourWheelDrift

92,234 posts

313 months

Monday 13th August 2012
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"This program contains scenes of war".

No, really?

Bit loose with the facts as well, it's not almost derelict. It's a hotel. They just haven't converted all the rooms yet.

Edited by FourWheelDrift on Monday 13th August 21:07

Simpo Two

92,662 posts

294 months

Monday 13th August 2012
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I think the guards might have seen a sodding great glider parked on the roof though. And even if it worked and they landed in the field safely, they'd still be in sight of the castle and quickly recaptured. Brave and crazy but not worth it IMHO, especially as the war was almost over.

FourWheelDrift

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313 months

Monday 13th August 2012
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It wouldn't fit through the window either. wink


Zad

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265 months

Monday 13th August 2012
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Yep, it is nowhere near derelict. If anything it has been over-restored to be honest. I see they are spouting the old fallacy about how wings generate lift.

I'm sure C4 ran a series a few years ago where they made a Colditz glider and flew it with the original designers watching.

eharding

14,648 posts

313 months

Monday 13th August 2012
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I'll take my chances going off the roof in the glider against crawling through that tunnel.

<shudder>

jjones

4,488 posts

222 months

Monday 13th August 2012
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was there a few weeks back, museum is interesting to see some of the artifacts spoken about in pat reid and reinhold eggers books.

fatboy69

9,424 posts

216 months

Monday 13th August 2012
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It flew!!


FourWheelDrift

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313 months

Monday 13th August 2012
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It did rather well, very impressed with the flier controlling it and surprised any of the locals allowed it to happen in case it went straight at a house.

They'll be looking at concrete filled baths and rope pulleys for the new navy carriers. Much cheaper to launch F35s. biggrin

Tango13

10,047 posts

205 months

Monday 13th August 2012
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Zad said:
I'm sure C4 ran a series a few years ago where they made a Colditz glider and flew it with the original designers watching.
They did, the one that was built in that program flew very well and was then displayed in the IWM, I know this because I saw it!

Zad

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265 months

Monday 13th August 2012
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Here is the original Channel 4 programme. If you want to see how well the glider flew, go to Part 3, 19 minutes in.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBjTmqbNSC0
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgmMoOcMto0
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dles1q-CDU

Such a treat to see the original men together.




GadgeS3C

4,727 posts

193 months

Monday 13th August 2012
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Enjoyed the programme but they did seem to omit the minor detail of the mass of the pilot and passenger.

Wonder if the result would have been the same with an extra 100-150kg?

pete

1,634 posts

313 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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A bit off topic, but it's this Channel 4 documentary I've been waiting for:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/plane-crash

It's been touted for a few years now, but it looks like they've finally actually crashed an elderly 727; should be shown later this year.

Pete

Simpo Two

92,662 posts

294 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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GadgeS3C said:
Enjoyed the programme but they did seem to omit the minor detail of the mass of the pilot and passenger.
I assumed the dummies would have been suitably weighted - but you're right - with no load it proves nothing.

I'm not surprised the glider flew, it looks very much like a Slingsby Prefect. Of more importance would be correct trimming and holding together under load, seeing as it was made from scrap and string. My hunch is that in reality, with two people on board, it would fail to reach adequate speed, even with a dive, and hit the deck at about 45 degrees if it didn't break up first.

Edited by Simpo Two on Tuesday 14th August 14:11

Munter

31,331 posts

270 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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Simpo Two said:
My hunch is that in reality, with two people on board, it would fail to reach adequate speed, even with a dive, and hit the deck at about 45 degrees if it didn't break up first.
I think the bit in the program where they had to surface the "runway" with metal and add a pulley to the bathtub/gravity propulsion system agrees with you. The original design would have failed.

Simpo Two

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294 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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Yep, Newton wins all contests under 17,000mph...

tank slapper

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312 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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Munter said:
I think the bit in the program where they had to surface the "runway" with metal and add a pulley to the bathtub/gravity propulsion system agrees with you. The original design would have failed.
Not necessarily. They mentioned in the programme that the idea arose from watching the upwards airflow towards the castle. They could have just waited for a day with favourable wind conditions to launch. In the programme they had to launch on a particular day, and that meant they had to put up with whatever the conditions were at the time. It's not like the POWs were short of time, and they certainly weren't short of ingenuity. That many of them were also engineers of one sort or another means I doubt that the problem of friction on the launching ramp would have been missed or ignored.

mrmaggit

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277 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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It actually looks more like the Grunau Baby.

dr_gn

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213 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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tank slapper said:
Munter said:
I think the bit in the program where they had to surface the "runway" with metal and add a pulley to the bathtub/gravity propulsion system agrees with you. The original design would have failed.
Not necessarily. They mentioned in the programme that the idea arose from watching the upwards airflow towards the castle. They could have just waited for a day with favourable wind conditions to launch. In the programme they had to launch on a particular day, and that meant they had to put up with whatever the conditions were at the time. It's not like the POWs were short of time, and they certainly weren't short of ingenuity. That many of them were also engineers of one sort or another means I doubt that the problem of friction on the launching ramp would have been missed or ignored.
Day? Weren't they - in theory - supposed to be flying it at night?

tank slapper

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312 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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Day, as in a particular date rather than the period when it is light.