MOD unveil Type 26 'Global Combat Ship' design
Discussion
ShredderXLE said:
"medium calibre gun" - is that just one then?
Has the complement of missiles in the on board "silo" meant that guns on ships are a bit pointless/obsolete. now.
The reload system is much quicker, the targeting is much better, and the shells are more powerful - it does the work that multiple guns would have in the past. Has the complement of missiles in the on board "silo" meant that guns on ships are a bit pointless/obsolete. now.
While impressive the big guns had pretty poor accuracy, took up a lot of room had a slow rate of fire and needed constant maintenance. A modern medium calibre that can fire 40 times a minute would pepper a old battleship while it was still loading its first volley.
May not to much against old school armour though.
May not to much against old school armour though.
Mr_B said:
As a non ship type person, what the difference between this and the same looking ships that have just come into service ? Is this their replacement already ?
They're smaller. The type 45 is purely a destroyer, whilst the type 26 would be more in line with the type 23 (frigate).In terms of tonnage, just over half the size, 8000 vs 5400(est)
davepoth said:
ShredderXLE said:
"medium calibre gun" - is that just one then?
Has the complement of missiles in the on board "silo" meant that guns on ships are a bit pointless/obsolete. now.
The reload system is much quicker, the targeting is much better, and the shells are more powerful - it does the work that multiple guns would have in the past. Has the complement of missiles in the on board "silo" meant that guns on ships are a bit pointless/obsolete. now.
davepoth said:
ShredderXLE said:
"medium calibre gun" - is that just one then?
Has the complement of missiles in the on board "silo" meant that guns on ships are a bit pointless/obsolete. now.
The reload system is much quicker, the targeting is much better, and the shells are more powerful - it does the work that multiple guns would have in the past. Has the complement of missiles in the on board "silo" meant that guns on ships are a bit pointless/obsolete. now.
Vlad the Imp said:
That's quite rapid for defence procurement, if past performance is anything to go by it'll be at least 5 years late and the budget with have trebled. 
Depends how much the government interfere, I don't have the numbers to hand but the price increases and delays in the carriers that the government are purely responsible for are shocking.minister - 'if we delay ordering this item until next year, it will save £500!'
builders - 'but we need that bit to continue'
minister - 'even better, if you aren't doing anything for a year that saves a fortune!'
builders - 'no we still have to keep the yard employed or we lose the ability to build anything'
minister - 'shut up iam a financial genius'
[1 year later]
minister - 'time to order that bit I suppose'
supplier - 'yep that will be £600'
minister - 'what, why? it was £500!'
supplier - 'last year yes, but you cancelling half the fleet has cut orders too much for us to survive'
minister - 'this is unexceptable, everything stops for a year while we carry out a hearing to establish the navies guilt in poor project keeping'
doogz said:
If the target is less than a mile away, the 30mm guns, or miniguns, if the target is more than a mile away, an Aster 15 missile.
That's a T45 I'm talking about, not sure about T26, although it will have more than just one gun onboard.
The aster currently has no anti ground/ ship ability, so if the main gun is took out on a 45 and you have a surface threat coming at you, just hope the engines are ready to run away.That's a T45 I'm talking about, not sure about T26, although it will have more than just one gun onboard.
Edited by Godalmighty83 on Monday 20th August 18:08
Edited by Godalmighty83 on Monday 20th August 18:09
davepoth said:
ShredderXLE said:
"medium calibre gun" - is that just one then?
Has the complement of missiles in the on board "silo" meant that guns on ships are a bit pointless/obsolete. now.
The reload system is much quicker, the targeting is much better, and the shells are more powerful - it does the work that multiple guns would have in the past. Has the complement of missiles in the on board "silo" meant that guns on ships are a bit pointless/obsolete. now.
Godalmighty83 said:
Vlad the Imp said:
That's quite rapid for defence procurement, if past performance is anything to go by it'll be at least 5 years late and the budget with have trebled.
Depends how much the government interfere, I don't have the numbers to hand but the price increases and delays in the carriers that the government are purely responsible for are shocking.minister - 'if we delay ordering this item until next year, it will save £500!'
builders - 'but we need that bit to continue'
minister - 'even better, if you aren't doing anything for a year that saves a fortune!'
builders - 'no we still have to keep the yard employed or we lose the ability to build anything'
minister - 'shut up iam a financial genius'
[1 year later]
minister - 'time to order that bit I suppose'
supplier - 'yep that will be £600'
minister - 'what, why? it was £500!'
supplier - 'last year yes, but you cancelling half the fleet has cut orders too much for us to survive'
minister - 'this is unexceptable, everything stops for a year while we carry out a hearing to establish the navies guilt in poor project keeping'
doogz said:
If the target is less than a mile away, the 30mm guns, or miniguns, if the target is more than a mile away, an Aster 15 missile.
That's a T45 I'm talking about, not sure about T26, although it will have more than just one gun onboard.
The aster currently has no anti ground/ ship ability, so if the main gun is took out on a 45 and you have a surface threat coming at you, just hope the engines are ready to run away.That's a T45 I'm talking about, not sure about T26, although it will have more than just one gun onboard.
Edited by Godalmighty83 on Monday 20th August 18:08
Edited by Godalmighty83 on Monday 20th August 18:09
That mucked up my speech mark formatting so I stuck with same length titles.
Back on topic- Here's to hoping the government don't grandly bugger up this time, the 45's are going to be worn out far faster then hoped as each is doing its best to fly fag with only half dozen spread around the globe, if the gov want the RN to stay a global power then they cant keep cutting classes down to half dozen ships.
Back on topic- Here's to hoping the government don't grandly bugger up this time, the 45's are going to be worn out far faster then hoped as each is doing its best to fly fag with only half dozen spread around the globe, if the gov want the RN to stay a global power then they cant keep cutting classes down to half dozen ships.
ShredderXLE said:
"medium calibre gun" - is that just one then?
Has the complement of missiles in the on board "silo" meant that guns on ships are a bit pointless/obsolete. now.
Not used by the UK as far as I know, but modern weapons systems and ammunition are very effectiveHas the complement of missiles in the on board "silo" meant that guns on ships are a bit pointless/obsolete. now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2yRhVXKEXU
Godalmighty83 said:
Back on topic- Here's to hoping the government don't grandly bugger up this time, the 45's are going to be worn out far faster then hoped as each is doing its best to fly fag with only half dozen spread around the globe, if the gov want the RN to stay a global power then they cant keep cutting classes down to half dozen ships.
Who says the gov want us to have any capability anywhere?They've shown bugger all inclination to date
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