How much does track cost compared to roads
How much does track cost compared to roads
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saaby93

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Sunday 9th December 2012
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davepoth

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Sunday 9th December 2012
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I doubt the track itself makes up a lot of that - it's a passing loop, so it's two sets of points, and from the Wikipedia for the line it sounds like they had to resignal the whole thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Suffolk_Line#Inf...

Simpo Two

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Sunday 9th December 2012
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How much of the £4M is for consultants to stand around in yellow jackets, and how much is for the parts?

1a35

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Sunday 9th December 2012
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saaby93

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Sunday 9th December 2012
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Nope I still cant see it.
A railway has to be reasonably level, a foot of gravel and some metal strips attached to concrete slabs.
Which part of that is expensive?

Chrisgr31

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Sunday 9th December 2012
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I'd assume part of the cost will be associated with keeping the existing track open whilst they do the work. Therefore they'll be working late at night etc.

However still seems a lot.

davepoth

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Sunday 9th December 2012
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1a35 said:
That included two bridges though.

annodomini2

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Monday 10th December 2012
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Motorway is about £100m/mile (both sides).

mackie1

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Monday 10th December 2012
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annodomini2 said:
Motorway is about £100m/mile (both sides).
Are you sure? The figure I've seen bandied about is around £24m per mile.


anonymous-user

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Wednesday 12th December 2012
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mackie1 said:
annodomini2 said:
Motorway is about £100m/mile (both sides).
Are you sure? The figure I've seen bandied about is around £24m per mile.
I had heard £1m a mile, but a rather official looking website suggests between £10-16m/mile depending on the addition.

Adding an extra lane to a motorway costs approximately £10 million per mile, a mile of dual carriageway costs £16.2 million and a single carriageway is £10.6 million per mile. (roadblock.org)

ninja-lewis

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Thursday 13th December 2012
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The case in the OP included returning the second abandoned platform at Beccles to use and other station works.

Timbo_S2

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Thursday 13th December 2012
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Had to pay me a bit for designing some of that! And i'm not cheap!

saaby93

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Friday 14th December 2012
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Timbo_S2 said:
Had to pay me a bit for designing some of that! And i'm not cheap!
ah that'll be it thumbup

Rude Girl

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Friday 14th December 2012
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saaby93 said:
Nope I still cant see it.
A railway has to be reasonably level, a foot of gravel and some metal strips attached to concrete slabs.
Which part of that is expensive?
You sir are an engineering genius. You have a glittering career ahead of you. Couple of years in the UK railway and you will soon be whipped up by a consultant to build railways all over the world.

saaby93

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Saturday 15th December 2012
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Rude Girl said:
You sir are an engineering genius. You have a glittering career ahead of you. Couple of years in the UK railway and you will soon be whipped up by a consultant to build railways all over the world.
bowtie

Nickyboy

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Saturday 15th December 2012
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saaby93 said:
Nope I still cant see it.
A railway has to be reasonably level, a foot of gravel and some metal strips attached to concrete slabs.
Which part of that is expensive?
Exactly, you have to buy the land, level it, prepare it, lay the track bed, lay the track, add points, add the ballast, tamp the ballast, then add all the communications equipment, add the signals, and that's without the cost of the raw materials, workforce and machinery. Bear in mind the tamper used to settle the ballast costs over £3m

Rude Girl

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Saturday 15th December 2012
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Nickyboy said:
Bear in mind the tamper used to settle the ballast costs over £3m
Latest prices will surprise you - Tamper-DTS is about 50% more than that now. yikes



Tango13

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Saturday 15th December 2012
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Nickyboy said:
saaby93 said:
Nope I still cant see it.
A railway has to be reasonably level, a foot of gravel and some metal strips attached to concrete slabs.
Which part of that is expensive?
Exactly, you have to buy the land, level it, prepare it, lay the track bed, lay the track, add points, add the ballast, tamp the ballast, then add all the communications equipment, add the signals, and that's without the cost of the raw materials, workforce and machinery. Bear in mind the tamper used to settle the ballast costs over £3m
You forgot Public inquiry and the act of Parliment needed to buy the land, bribing politicians isn't cheap (allegedly wink)

Ross1988

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Saturday 15th December 2012
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Bear in mind as well that it's not just gravel, the gravel is set on a bed, which is graded for drainage, then a layer of teram, then the gravel has to be within a certain size(Too big won't provide enough stability, too small and 'wet beds' will be created). Then you can lay your track (Trackmen, Surveyors, laser levelled dozers, ballast trains etc)

The track doesnt have to be 'reasonably' level, it has to be right, if there is any twist (Can't the remember the specific definition, but I think it's +/- 5mm cant over 5m) then trains start to fall off tracks. All the track has to tamped and set to the correct cant, and slued to the correct versine (Sharpness of a bend) and now we have a track.

For a train to use this, it need signalling, power lines, signal boxes. Resignalling a stretch of track is no easy feat. Drainage has to be installed also. If it's a brand new stretch GSM-R has to be installed as well, which doesn't play nicely near coastal areas at the best of times)

Can't remember much more, but it's very labour intensive and usually done at nights or weekends.


saaby93

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Saturday 15th December 2012
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Is there a better way?