Eurofighter Typhoon: Low level on-board footage. Fantastic!
Eurofighter Typhoon: Low level on-board footage. Fantastic!
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High flier

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Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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And I thought I had a great job!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjvgC1cKQGA

V8 Disco

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236 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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Fantastic! Thanks for posting the link, really enjoyed that!

Defcon5

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220 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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Excellent

I would never get board of living there

Joey Ramone

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154 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2014
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Call that low flying? This is low flying. No 'elf and safety' in Chad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQEfDytS_IE&fe...

High flier

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Thursday 23rd January 2014
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Joey Ramone said:
Call that low flying? This is low flying. No 'elf and safety' in Chad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQEfDytS_IE&fe...
That is pretty low, but being that low to the ground over a flat area of land is significantly easier than the Eurofighter scything its way up a valley.

Dr G

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Friday 24th January 2014
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Is that the footage from the simulator in the 'flight' hall? Looks familiar.

Excellent display at the science museum incidentally, I spent ages wandering around the display of old aero engines.

probedb

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Monday 27th January 2014
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Dr G said:
Is that the footage from the simulator in the 'flight' hall? Looks familiar.

Excellent display at the science museum incidentally, I spent ages wandering around the display of old aero engines.
I assume so, if you listen to the pilot at the beginning, I'm sure he mentions something.

Dr G

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Monday 27th January 2014
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Aaaaaaah, no sound on work PC wink

Joey Ramone

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Monday 27th January 2014
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High flier said:
That is pretty low, but being that low to the ground over a flat area of land is significantly easier than the Eurofighter scything its way up a valley.
bks it is. At that speed, and at that height, the margin of error for those French pilots is far less than for the Typhoon. That Mirage almost hit a bus. Far more impressive than Biggles wandering around Scotland at 400 feet.

b14

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217 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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Joey Ramone said:
Far more impressive than Biggles wandering around Scotland at 400 feet.
Presumably you fly a PC at 1,000,000 knots at 10 feet everywhere?

Hero.

eccles

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251 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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Joey Ramone said:
High flier said:
That is pretty low, but being that low to the ground over a flat area of land is significantly easier than the Eurofighter scything its way up a valley.
bks it is. At that speed, and at that height, the margin of error for those French pilots is far less than for the Typhoon. That Mirage almost hit a bus. Far more impressive than Biggles wandering around Scotland at 400 feet.
Yet our Tonkas were at tens of feet when operational in GW1....

High flier

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Monday 27th January 2014
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Joey Ramone said:
bks it is. At that speed, and at that height, the margin of error for those French pilots is far less than for the Typhoon. That Mirage almost hit a bus. Far more impressive than Biggles wandering around Scotland at 400 feet.
Yes. It is. They're flying straight and level. And unless there are gusts of wind, its not that hard. I assume you have first hand experience of flying fast jets. Or know someone that does? During my commercial ground school, we had 2 ex Lightning pilots for instructors. They used to do the low level stuff over the sea (much like the Mirage video, at crazy low level to avoid detection by the ships radar when taking part in exercises. One of which included being asked by the commander of the ship, to go "as low and as fast as you can". They thought he was in a Hunter, when in fact he was in a Lightning. He asked them again to confirm what they wanted him to do, and they repeated, as low and fast as possible. So he stuck to his orders, and flew at "between 5 - 10 feet above sea level, pulling up over the ship at mach 2". And subsequently he shattered every window, and most of the instruments on the ship with the sonic boom!), and flying through the valleys, in a variety of jets during their years in service. During one of our breaks we were watching video's of low passes, one of the instructors walked over, and when asked what was harder, they said basically what I have above, The concentration levels are in a different league. If you get too low, in the Mirage video's, you just pull back. In the Eurofighter type video, there's quite a few occasions where, just pulling up, would stuff you into a hillside.
My sister was also in the RAF and flew Hawks/Jaguars in those same valleys, with low level beat up's (complete with bo****kings for the really low ones) when they got back to base, and she too agree's that its much harder to do the valleys flying. Watch the video again. They're most certainly not 400ft above the rising hills in the turns.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, based on what they know/have heard. I think I'll stick with the opinion of the ex-RAF guys personally.

Edited to add, its in Wales, not Scotland.

Edited by High flier on Monday 27th January 22:31

Ginetta G15 Girl

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213 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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Any eejit can fly straight and level ultra low in a straight line (probably in ground effect).

Manoeuvring at low level is entirely a different kettle of fish.

High flier

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Monday 27th January 2014
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Any eejit can fly straight and level ultra low in a straight line (probably in ground effect).

Manoeuvring at low level is entirely a different kettle of fish.
I'm glad that someone with first hand experience of these things has come along smile

Simpo Two

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294 months

Monday 27th January 2014
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High flier said:
They though he was in a Hunter, when in fact he was in a Lightning. He asked them again to confirm what they wanted him to do, and they repeated, as low and fast as possible. So he stuck to his orders, and flew at "between 5 - 10 feet above sea level, pulling up over the ship at mach 2". And subsequently he shattered every window, and most of the instruments on the ship with the sonic boom!)
Reminded me of this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5DsLow4SVQ

Jim Campbell

445 posts

251 months

Tuesday 28th January 2014
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High flier said:
Yes. It is. They're flying straight and level. And unless there are gusts of wind, its not that hard. I assume you have first hand experience of flying fast jets. Or know someone that does? During my commercial ground school, we had 2 ex Lightning pilots for instructors. They used to do the low level stuff over the sea (much like the Mirage video, at crazy low level to avoid detection by the ships radar when taking part in exercises. One of which included being asked by the commander of the ship, to go "as low and as fast as you can". They thought he was in a Hunter, when in fact he was in a Lightning. He asked them again to confirm what they wanted him to do, and they repeated, as low and fast as possible. So he stuck to his orders, and flew at "between 5 - 10 feet above sea level, pulling up over the ship at mach 2". And subsequently he shattered every window, and most of the instruments on the ship with the sonic boom!), and flying through the valleys, in a variety of jets during their years in service. During one of our breaks we were watching video's of low passes, one of the instructors walked over, and when asked what was harder, they said basically what I have above, The concentration levels are in a different league. If you get too low, in the Mirage video's, you just pull back. In the Eurofighter type video, there's quite a few occasions where, just pulling up, would stuff you into a hillside.
My sister was also in the RAF and flew Hawks/Jaguars in those same valleys, with low level beat up's (complete with bo****kings for the really low ones) when they got back to base, and she too agree's that its much harder to do the valleys flying. Watch the video again. They're most certainly not 400ft above the rising hills in the turns.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, based on what they know/have heard. I think I'll stick with the opinion of the ex-RAF guys personally.

Edited to add, its in Wales, not Scotland.

Edited by High flier on Monday 27th January 22:31
A lightning would have hit its 650kts VNE before it went Mach 1 let alone Mach 2 at 10 feet.

The full version of the above french video is worth a watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gvvr_NyewQ

Another good one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPJi_Iyf2FQ

Im feeling slightly worse about flying a 172 tomorrow, bloody pistonheads.

Ginetta G15 Girl

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Tuesday 28th January 2014
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Jim Campbell said:
A lightning would have hit its 650kts VNE before it went Mach 1 let alone Mach 2 at 10 feet.
625 Kts if the AAR probe was fitted. wink

High flier

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Tuesday 28th January 2014
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Jim Campbell said:
A lightning would have hit its 650kts VNE before it went Mach 1 let alone Mach 2 at 10 feet.

The full version of the above french video is worth a watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gvvr_NyewQ

Another good one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPJi_Iyf2FQ

Im feeling slightly worse about flying a 172 tomorrow, bloody pistonheads.
Good point. Is it worrying that a whole class of ATPL students didn't think to work it out! I feel a tad ashamed!

He did come out with some pretty wild stories, but that one didn't seem too far fetched!

SlipStream77

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Tuesday 28th January 2014
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High flier said:
They're flying straight and level. And unless there are gusts of wind, its not that hard.
Did you watch to the end of the Chad video? Those Mirages seem to be lower and faster than the Typhoons as they cross the ridges from about 2.15.