Camper & Nicholson Huong Giang ex Maid Marion - still exist?
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Probably not, I would have expected it to be on the register of historic ships (as it was in WWII as well) for C&N Southampton but it's not - http://www.nationalhistoricships.org.uk/builders.p...
It could be somewhere else in the world though as I just read they have to be UK based to qualify.
Camper & Nicholson would know, drop them an email.
It could be somewhere else in the world though as I just read they have to be UK based to qualify.
Camper & Nicholson would know, drop them an email.
Don't think this is the same boat. Ad on fleabay.
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Camper-Nicholsons-Gosport-S...
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Camper-Nicholsons-Gosport-S...
A bit of internet digging following the man from your news article rather than the boat produces the following:
Emperor Bao Dai was the last Emperor of Vietnam, he was re-instated after the war by the French and when he was deposed he was exiled to France where he lived up until his death, there is a wiki about him and even a Facebook page. The relevant piece from the wiki is the following quote:
" At times, Bảo Đại maintained residence in southern France, and in particular, in Monaco, where he sailed often on his private yacht, one of the largest in Monte Carlo harbor(sic)".
Now I can't say for definite that that yacht was the one you're after but it seems likely to me as other internet articles seem to suggest that his family back in Vietnam had to sell all their possessions to maintain him in Exile. So possibly Monte Carlo in the 60's and 70's.
Oh and you may be interested in this you tube clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvEJx1RssmE very briefly at 0:30 I'm pretty sure this is the yacht you're after, seems to have been filmed off the coast of Vietnam in the 50's.
Emperor Bao Dai was the last Emperor of Vietnam, he was re-instated after the war by the French and when he was deposed he was exiled to France where he lived up until his death, there is a wiki about him and even a Facebook page. The relevant piece from the wiki is the following quote:
" At times, Bảo Đại maintained residence in southern France, and in particular, in Monaco, where he sailed often on his private yacht, one of the largest in Monte Carlo harbor(sic)".
Now I can't say for definite that that yacht was the one you're after but it seems likely to me as other internet articles seem to suggest that his family back in Vietnam had to sell all their possessions to maintain him in Exile. So possibly Monte Carlo in the 60's and 70's.
Oh and you may be interested in this you tube clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvEJx1RssmE very briefly at 0:30 I'm pretty sure this is the yacht you're after, seems to have been filmed off the coast of Vietnam in the 50's.
Good spot. Looks a strong candidate. I've been looking around as well. Sent an email to the Historic Register of Ships - they've no record of the ship but have given me another lead.
Will update when I've heard anything.
Have to say all this searching around Clasic Motor Yachts has whetted my appetite for a 1930's Gentlemen cruiser in retirement.
Will update when I've heard anything.
Have to say all this searching around Clasic Motor Yachts has whetted my appetite for a 1930's Gentlemen cruiser in retirement.
Here's another lead for the historic yacht. http://www.nmmc.co.uk/iframe/yachtdesigns.php sorry it won't let me link direct but if you search on Maid Marion it produces four entries for the Nicholson designed boat.
This database doesn't tell you much apart from there's a discrepancy in the length (lets hope that doesn't mean there are two vessels with the same name?) but it does list magazine articles that the boat has appeared in and more importantly they can do you copies (for a price of course).
NMMC is National Maritime Museum Cornwall so a good cause to support if you want the articles.
This database doesn't tell you much apart from there's a discrepancy in the length (lets hope that doesn't mean there are two vessels with the same name?) but it does list magazine articles that the boat has appeared in and more importantly they can do you copies (for a price of course).
NMMC is National Maritime Museum Cornwall so a good cause to support if you want the articles.
If you really want to know, you can pay:
http://www.lr.org/en/research-and-innovation/histo...
This used to be free, but like everything else...
http://www.lr.org/en/research-and-innovation/histo...
This used to be free, but like everything else...
Found this from the (Singapore) Straits Times dated 03/07/1949.
Have read also, that Emperor Bao Dai spent very little time in Vietnam and lived in Monte Carlo - with his luxury yacht.
http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/...
Update 1.
Yacht reported as sold in the Singapore Free Press (ha ha !) 16/09/1955 in Monte Carlo for $850,000.
http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/...
Update 2 - Now I'm confused. 'Text from Florida Shipwrecks'
The steel hulled schooner Panda was built in 1938 at Camper and Nicholsons in England. She was 130 feet long, had a 22.3 foot beam and a 13.9 foot draft. Although completed in 1938, she was not launched until 1948 due to World War II. According to the Broward County Artificial Reef Program, the Panda survived the bombing of England in World War II while sitting in dry dock. Her next owner was the French Government who gave her to Bao Dai, the Emperor of Vietnam. Boa Dai remodeled the schooner into a den of inequity used for womanizing and smoking opium. The Panda was sold in 1962 to Sterling Hamil for an around the world cruise. In 1965 she was sold again, this time to a French architect who sailed her for eleven years. In 1978, the Panda was purchased by Bill Bodel and converted into a first class charter vessel.
The Panda was severely damaged by a fire while in St. Martin in 1984. She was towed to Florida and scuttled on February 28, 1988, as a memorial to Jay Dorman and to form an artificial reef. Jay Dorman was an avid fisherman who was killed by a lightning bolt in 1987. Today she is known as the Jay Dorman and rests on her port side in 78 feet of water, only one mile off the Pompano Pier.
Have read also, that Emperor Bao Dai spent very little time in Vietnam and lived in Monte Carlo - with his luxury yacht.
http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/...
Update 1.
Yacht reported as sold in the Singapore Free Press (ha ha !) 16/09/1955 in Monte Carlo for $850,000.
http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/...
Update 2 - Now I'm confused. 'Text from Florida Shipwrecks'
The steel hulled schooner Panda was built in 1938 at Camper and Nicholsons in England. She was 130 feet long, had a 22.3 foot beam and a 13.9 foot draft. Although completed in 1938, she was not launched until 1948 due to World War II. According to the Broward County Artificial Reef Program, the Panda survived the bombing of England in World War II while sitting in dry dock. Her next owner was the French Government who gave her to Bao Dai, the Emperor of Vietnam. Boa Dai remodeled the schooner into a den of inequity used for womanizing and smoking opium. The Panda was sold in 1962 to Sterling Hamil for an around the world cruise. In 1965 she was sold again, this time to a French architect who sailed her for eleven years. In 1978, the Panda was purchased by Bill Bodel and converted into a first class charter vessel.
The Panda was severely damaged by a fire while in St. Martin in 1984. She was towed to Florida and scuttled on February 28, 1988, as a memorial to Jay Dorman and to form an artificial reef. Jay Dorman was an avid fisherman who was killed by a lightning bolt in 1987. Today she is known as the Jay Dorman and rests on her port side in 78 feet of water, only one mile off the Pompano Pier.
Edited by V41LEY on Tuesday 20th May 07:36
Wow!!
Apologies for the late response. I have just got back.
I really appreciate everyones time. Thankyou so much!
She was built for my wife's great grandfather so we are just tracing the history and seeing if she still exists.
I appreciate all the links so much.
As suggested, we will contact Camper and Nicholson.
Apologies for the late response. I have just got back.
I really appreciate everyones time. Thankyou so much!
She was built for my wife's great grandfather so we are just tracing the history and seeing if she still exists.
I appreciate all the links so much.
As suggested, we will contact Camper and Nicholson.
V41LEY said:
Found this from the (Singapore) Straits Times dated 03/07/1949.
Have read also, that Emperor Bao Dai spent very little time in Vietnam and lived in Monte Carlo - with his luxury yacht.
http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/...
Update 1.
Yacht reported as sold in the Singapore Free Press (ha ha !) 16/09/1955 in Monte Carlo for $850,000.
http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/...
Update 2 - Now I'm confused. 'Text from Florida Shipwrecks'
The steel hulled schooner Panda was built in 1938 at Camper and Nicholsons in England. She was 130 feet long, had a 22.3 foot beam and a 13.9 foot draft. Although completed in 1938, she was not launched until 1948 due to World War II. According to the Broward County Artificial Reef Program, the Panda survived the bombing of England in World War II while sitting in dry dock. Her next owner was the French Government who gave her to Bao Dai, the Emperor of Vietnam. Boa Dai remodeled the schooner into a den of inequity used for womanizing and smoking opium. The Panda was sold in 1962 to Sterling Hamil for an around the world cruise. In 1965 she was sold again, this time to a French architect who sailed her for eleven years. In 1978, the Panda was purchased by Bill Bodel and converted into a first class charter vessel.
The Panda was severely damaged by a fire while in St. Martin in 1984. She was towed to Florida and scuttled on February 28, 1988, as a memorial to Jay Dorman and to form an artificial reef. Jay Dorman was an avid fisherman who was killed by a lightning bolt in 1987. Today she is known as the Jay Dorman and rests on her port side in 78 feet of water, only one mile off the Pompano Pier.
I believe the first two links are it. The Panda is a different ship.Have read also, that Emperor Bao Dai spent very little time in Vietnam and lived in Monte Carlo - with his luxury yacht.
http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/...
Update 1.
Yacht reported as sold in the Singapore Free Press (ha ha !) 16/09/1955 in Monte Carlo for $850,000.
http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/...
Update 2 - Now I'm confused. 'Text from Florida Shipwrecks'
The steel hulled schooner Panda was built in 1938 at Camper and Nicholsons in England. She was 130 feet long, had a 22.3 foot beam and a 13.9 foot draft. Although completed in 1938, she was not launched until 1948 due to World War II. According to the Broward County Artificial Reef Program, the Panda survived the bombing of England in World War II while sitting in dry dock. Her next owner was the French Government who gave her to Bao Dai, the Emperor of Vietnam. Boa Dai remodeled the schooner into a den of inequity used for womanizing and smoking opium. The Panda was sold in 1962 to Sterling Hamil for an around the world cruise. In 1965 she was sold again, this time to a French architect who sailed her for eleven years. In 1978, the Panda was purchased by Bill Bodel and converted into a first class charter vessel.
The Panda was severely damaged by a fire while in St. Martin in 1984. She was towed to Florida and scuttled on February 28, 1988, as a memorial to Jay Dorman and to form an artificial reef. Jay Dorman was an avid fisherman who was killed by a lightning bolt in 1987. Today she is known as the Jay Dorman and rests on her port side in 78 feet of water, only one mile off the Pompano Pier.
Edited by V41LEY on Tuesday 20th May 07:36
There was also a Maid Marion sailing boat of similar size!!
951TSE said:
Here's another lead for the historic yacht. http://www.nmmc.co.uk/iframe/yachtdesigns.php sorry it won't let me link direct but if you search on Maid Marion it produces four entries for the Nicholson designed boat.
This database doesn't tell you much apart from there's a discrepancy in the length (lets hope that doesn't mean there are two vessels with the same name?) but it does list magazine articles that the boat has appeared in and more importantly they can do you copies (for a price of course).
NMMC is National Maritime Museum Cornwall so a good cause to support if you want the articles.
This is fantastic!This database doesn't tell you much apart from there's a discrepancy in the length (lets hope that doesn't mean there are two vessels with the same name?) but it does list magazine articles that the boat has appeared in and more importantly they can do you copies (for a price of course).
NMMC is National Maritime Museum Cornwall so a good cause to support if you want the articles.
The discrepancies will be that he had more than one Maid MArion (sail and motor).
Thanks again!
951TSE said:
A bit of internet digging following the man from your news article rather than the boat produces the following:
Emperor Bao Dai was the last Emperor of Vietnam, he was re-instated after the war by the French and when he was deposed he was exiled to France where he lived up until his death, there is a wiki about him and even a Facebook page. The relevant piece from the wiki is the following quote:
" At times, Bảo Đại maintained residence in southern France, and in particular, in Monaco, where he sailed often on his private yacht, one of the largest in Monte Carlo harbor(sic)".
Now I can't say for definite that that yacht was the one you're after but it seems likely to me as other internet articles seem to suggest that his family back in Vietnam had to sell all their possessions to maintain him in Exile. So possibly Monte Carlo in the 60's and 70's.
Oh and you may be interested in this you tube clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvEJx1RssmE very briefly at 0:30 I'm pretty sure this is the yacht you're after, seems to have been filmed off the coast of Vietnam in the 50's.
Brilliant video! Many thanks!!Emperor Bao Dai was the last Emperor of Vietnam, he was re-instated after the war by the French and when he was deposed he was exiled to France where he lived up until his death, there is a wiki about him and even a Facebook page. The relevant piece from the wiki is the following quote:
" At times, Bảo Đại maintained residence in southern France, and in particular, in Monaco, where he sailed often on his private yacht, one of the largest in Monte Carlo harbor(sic)".
Now I can't say for definite that that yacht was the one you're after but it seems likely to me as other internet articles seem to suggest that his family back in Vietnam had to sell all their possessions to maintain him in Exile. So possibly Monte Carlo in the 60's and 70's.
Oh and you may be interested in this you tube clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvEJx1RssmE very briefly at 0:30 I'm pretty sure this is the yacht you're after, seems to have been filmed off the coast of Vietnam in the 50's.
V41LEY said:
Good spot. Looks a strong candidate. I've been looking around as well. Sent an email to the Historic Register of Ships - they've no record of the ship but have given me another lead.
Will update when I've heard anything.
OP - Got this todayWill update when I've heard anything.
Dear Mr. V
Thank you for your email. We hold 369 construction plans relating to this yacht, as well as some files of specifications for her as-ordered and lists of components to be ordered for the building of the hull. This material has not been catalogued in detail, but can be viewed by appointment if you so wish. I do not think our material will help you in terms of tracing the yacht's career, but if you would like to examine the plans please let me know.
Yours sincerely,
Andrew Choong
Curator, Historic Photographs & Ships Plans
V41LEY said:
V41LEY said:
Good spot. Looks a strong candidate. I've been looking around as well. Sent an email to the Historic Register of Ships - they've no record of the ship but have given me another lead.
Will update when I've heard anything.
OP - Got this todayWill update when I've heard anything.
Dear Mr. V
Thank you for your email. We hold 369 construction plans relating to this yacht, as well as some files of specifications for her as-ordered and lists of components to be ordered for the building of the hull. This material has not been catalogued in detail, but can be viewed by appointment if you so wish. I do not think our material will help you in terms of tracing the yacht's career, but if you would like to examine the plans please let me know.
Yours sincerely,
Andrew Choong
Curator, Historic Photographs & Ships Plans
Do you reckon you can order copies?
Is this in Greenwich?
Amazing!!
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