Ship found upturned

[markmullen]

The upturned hull of a Cypriot registered cargo ship in the Pentland Firth, 8 crew missing. Four lifeboats and two helicopters searching.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-is...

[Shambler]

Pretty rough seas up there last few days, 15m waves.

[davepoth]

Sounds like it was a bulk carrier, hauling cement. What often happens in this situation is that one of the hold hatches comes loose, and then water gets in. The concrete turns to slurry pretty quickly, and that sort of weight sloshing about is plenty enough to capsize and sink a ship.

[Willy Nilly]

In a plane crash the air accident people re all over it, but what about ships, is there a marine accident investigator?

[Ian Lancs]

Willy Nilly said:

In a plane crash the air accident people re all over it, but what about ships, is there a marine accident investigator?

Yup - http://www.maib.gov.uk/home/index.cfm

[surveyor]

http://www.maib.gov.uk/home/index.cfm

[Mojocvh]

davepoth said:

Sounds like it was a bulk carrier, hauling cement. What often happens in this situation is that one of the hold hatches comes loose, and then water gets in. The concrete turns to slurry pretty quickly, and that sort of weight sloshing about is plenty enough to capsize and sink a ship.

http://www.ics-shipping.org/key-issues/all-key-issues-(full-list)/cargo-liquefaction

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-21...



Horrendous.

[martinnitram]

Mojocvh said:

davepoth said:

Sounds like it was a bulk carrier, hauling cement. What often happens in this situation is that one of the hold hatches comes loose, and then water gets in. The concrete turns to slurry pretty quickly, and that sort of weight sloshing about is plenty enough to capsize and sink a ship.

http://www.ics-shipping.org/key-issues/all-key-issues-(full-list)/cargo-liquefaction

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-21...



Horrendous.

Ha ha
Stopped reading that article at " due to climate change it rained on the cargo to much"

Who writes this st?

[Mojocvh]

martinnitram said:

Mojocvh said:

davepoth said:

Sounds like it was a bulk carrier, hauling cement. What often happens in this situation is that one of the hold hatches comes loose, and then water gets in. The concrete turns to slurry pretty quickly, and that sort of weight sloshing about is plenty enough to capsize and sink a ship.

http://www.ics-shipping.org/key-issues/all-key-issues-(full-list)/cargo-liquefaction

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-21...



Horrendous.

Ha ha
Stopped reading that article at " due to climate change it rained on the cargo to much"

Who writes this st?

One point. It doesn't matter where the water came from in the context of cargo liquification and ships, massive ships, turning turtle at sea.

I doubt there are many who would think, haha, you are a strange one.

[Hooli]

Oh I don't know, blaming imaginary climate change for a real shipwreak is a rather funny reason. Especially when they should be saying something like a loose cargo cover allowed the water in.

[Mojocvh]

Hooli said:

Oh I don't know, blaming imaginary climate change for a real shipwreak is a rather funny reason. Especially when they should be saying something like a loose cargo cover allowed the water in.

So you don't think there has been even the slightest change in the climate?

Incidentally, if you had read ^^the articles^^, it isn't the rain that's the problem at all....

...The issues are complex, but the root of the problem would seem to be the refusal of some shippers to allow the appointment of independent surveyors to conduct cargo testing in accordance with IMO requirements, plus the commercial pressure placed on Masters to accept potentially unsafe cargoes at what are often remote and poorly policed locations...

As for the lost souls in the Pentland Firth,



perhaps you should forward on your information to HM coastguard as the wreck has now submerged.

Edited by Mojocvh on Sunday 4th January 16:29

[markmullen]

Search for survivors called off

[Stevenr]

Are they not highly likely to still be on the ship?

[martinnitram]

Mojocvh said:

Hooli said:

Oh I don't know, blaming imaginary climate change for a real shipwreak is a rather funny reason. Especially when they should be saying something like a loose cargo cover allowed the water in.

So you don't think there has been even the slightest change in the climate?

Incidentally, if you had read ^^the articles^^, it isn't the rain that's the problem at all

Edited by Mojocvh on Sunday 4th January 16:29

Rain according to the article, climate rain for that matter, the worst rain you can get.
For balance it states a "more controversial theory is the demand for nickel from China"

You got to admit its a ste article.
And your a climate 'believer'

[Hooli]

Mojocvh said:

So you don't think there has been even the slightest change in the climate?

I don't, however that's not for this thread.

My point was rain is rain, it's still rain even if you claim it's due to climate change.

[markmullen]

Guys, 8 seafarers are missing and sadly presumed dead and you're arguing about fking rain?

[hidetheelephants]

Stevenr said:

Are they not highly likely to still be on the ship?

If they are on the ship, which is quite possible, they are not survivors.

[Stevenr]

Well yes that's pretty obvious I'd think,I'm quite sure you knew what was meant when i posted that too.

[Mojocvh]

markmullen said:

Guys, 8 seafarers are missing and sadly presumed dead and you're arguing about fking rain?

I'm not,considering the loss of life worldwide,74 now, it's a serious issue & as I pointed out above the rain isn't the problem.

Some freaks are, however, trolling and flaming their little hearts out.

[Shambler]

In fairness I think the waves probably caused more problems than the rain. Having sailed up there many times the weather in that area is horrendous. A large wave can cause ahuge amount of damage.