"Aerodynamic laws" I think not LOL
"Aerodynamic laws" I think not LOL
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mrloudly

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IforB

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Sunday 31st May 2015
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Wowsers. I wonder how service life that took out of the aircraft and the bloke flying it!

mrloudly

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Bet he had a couple of stiff Voddy's after that one!! Vectored thrust helps it! Very cool though!

Eric Mc

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Sunday 31st May 2015
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Seen a similar display at Farnborough about 20 years ago.

mrloudly

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Eric Mc said:
Seen a similar display at Farnborough about 20 years ago.
With vectored thrust? Makes a huge difference!

You probably are referring to the "Cobra" manoeuvre. This is way beyond that!

Viperzs

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Sunday 31st May 2015
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Such a shame the cameraman was trying to video his eyebrows!

Simpo Two

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Seems you can do anything if you have enough power and enough computers. Immelmann would have been impressed.

eharding

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The tail-slide is the impressive thing.

I doubt there is anything in service in the West that could do that without the engines kicking up an almighty kerfuffle, and then going hideously quiet.

On the other hand, short of having a big neon sign on the tail saying "Shoot Me", I can't think of anything which would be of less use when it's all gone Pete Tong and the shooting starts.

Ginetta G15 Girl

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Sunday 31st May 2015
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Quite.

It's airshow impressive but that's it all it is.

In a fight it might save you in a 1 v 1 when you've both run out of ideas.

In anything else it would get you dead, very fast.

Simpo Two

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eharding said:
On the other hand, short of having a big neon sign on the tail saying "Shoot Me", I can't think of anything which would be of less use when it's all gone Pete Tong and the shooting starts.
All else being equal I'd rather have more toys in the box than fewer though.

Was Harrier 'viffing' ever practical in combat (bearing in mind they did more more attacking than evading) or was it PR?

Ginetta G15 Girl

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Simpo Two said:
Was Harrier 'viffing' ever practical in combat (bearing in mind they did more more attacking than evading) or was it PR?
No.

It's a last ditch manoeuvre when you are low on energy.

Yes it will help get your nose round for the snapshot = fine in a 1 v 1, but in a multiple fight if you go low on energy some bd will hack you from a distance as soon as wink at you.

texaxile

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Sunday 31st May 2015
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Pardon my ignorance, but what make and designation of aircraft is that?. (I'd wager a MIG of some description but as I said, pardon my ignorance).

Eric Mc

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Monday 1st June 2015
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mrloudly said:
With vectored thrust? Makes a huge difference!

You probably are referring to the "Cobra" manoeuvre. This is way beyond that!
Yes - they have been experimenting with vectored thrust for a long time. They even managed to crash one at the Paris Air show in 1999. I would have seen it demonstrated at Farnborough the previous year i.e. 1998 - so 17 years ago, if not actually 20.

I saw the traditional Cobra Manoeuvere performed for the first time at the 1988 Farnborough Air Show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh-kuztsE1s

Eric Mc

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texaxile said:
Pardon my ignorance, but what make and designation of aircraft is that?. (I'd wager a MIG of some description but as I said, pardon my ignorance).
Sukhoi Su-35 - a development of the Su27/30 family.

Simpo Two

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Monday 1st June 2015
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
No...
Ta! So more in the line of Cunningham and the carrots...


Glosphil

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Monday 1st June 2015
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mrloudly said:
Interesting video but terrible filming. Zooomed in far too close for most of the time.

Eric Mc

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Monday 1st June 2015
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I actually liked the close up detail because you could see the control surfaces moving and the exhaust nozzles changing shape - and the varying directions they were pointing.

ktcanuck

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Monday 1st June 2015
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Quite.

It's airshow impressive but that's it all it is.

In a fight it might save you in a 1 v 1 when you've both run out of ideas.

In anything else it would get you dead, very fast.
So the F22 is different or is thrust vectoring equally a waste of time?

tight5

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Monday 1st June 2015
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eharding said:
The tail-slide is the impressive thing.

I doubt there is anything in service in the West that could do that without the engines kicking up an almighty kerfuffle, and then going hideously quiet.
How do they manage to keep the engines happy during the tail slide ?

Eric Mc

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Monday 1st June 2015
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I've sen a number of jet aircraft perform tailslides with no undue engine problems - the Sukhoi Su27/30/35, the MiG 29 and the Aermacchi 339.