Typhoons over Syria
Discussion
For those much better informed than I am, what will the role of the Typhoons be in the Syrian conflict?
Do they have air to ground capability, can they use lasers to mark targets for the Tornado's guided munitions or are they there for air superiority as the Telegraph is suggesting http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/120... ?
Just wondering!
Steve
Do they have air to ground capability, can they use lasers to mark targets for the Tornado's guided munitions or are they there for air superiority as the Telegraph is suggesting http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/120... ?
Just wondering!
Steve
Eric Mc said:
The Typhoon is primarilly an air defence fighter aircraft but the RAF are developing it into an effective ground attack aircraft. They desperately need to as the Tornado will be withdrawn within a couple of years and they need to retain that bombing capability.
Wrong. The typhoon was initially developed as an air to air aircraft. in 2008 the aircraft became a multi role aircraft meaning it can do air to air, and air to ground. All RAF typhoons are to this standard now as far as I'm aware.
They are able to drop paveway IV, and can carry Litening III which is a laser targeting pod so can be used to designate targets for other aircraft to attack.
ecsrobin said:
Wrong.
The typhoon was initially developed as an air to air aircraft. in 2008 the aircraft became a multi role aircraft meaning it can do air to air, and air to ground. All RAF typhoons are to this standard now as far as I'm aware.
They are able to drop paveway IV, and can carry Litening III which is a laser targeting pod so can be used to designate targets for other aircraft to attack.
What is wrong with what I said?The typhoon was initially developed as an air to air aircraft. in 2008 the aircraft became a multi role aircraft meaning it can do air to air, and air to ground. All RAF typhoons are to this standard now as far as I'm aware.
They are able to drop paveway IV, and can carry Litening III which is a laser targeting pod so can be used to designate targets for other aircraft to attack.
I said that it was primarilly designed as a fighter but is assuming a ground attack role with the RAF - which is what you are saying too.
ecsrobin said:
Eric Mc said:
What is wrong with what I said?
I said that it was primarilly designed as a fighter but is assuming a ground attack role with the RAF - which is what you are saying too.
You implied it is a fighter trying to be developed, however it has been multi role for 7 years now. I said that it was primarilly designed as a fighter but is assuming a ground attack role with the RAF - which is what you are saying too.
Eric Mc said:
ecsrobin said:
Eric Mc said:
What is wrong with what I said?
I said that it was primarilly designed as a fighter but is assuming a ground attack role with the RAF - which is what you are saying too.
You implied it is a fighter trying to be developed, however it has been multi role for 7 years now. I said that it was primarilly designed as a fighter but is assuming a ground attack role with the RAF - which is what you are saying too.
dr_gn said:
According to the news, the RAF is ramping up operations against IS to be round the clock.
Given that they are part of a larger coalition, where does the intelligence come from to identify all these unmarked, moving and fixed targets for airstrikes?
I'm sure they probably want to keep their sources of information out of the public eye Given that they are part of a larger coalition, where does the intelligence come from to identify all these unmarked, moving and fixed targets for airstrikes?
ecsrobin said:
dr_gn said:
According to the news, the RAF is ramping up operations against IS to be round the clock.
Given that they are part of a larger coalition, where does the intelligence come from to identify all these unmarked, moving and fixed targets for airstrikes?
I'm sure they probably want to keep their sources of information out of the public eye Given that they are part of a larger coalition, where does the intelligence come from to identify all these unmarked, moving and fixed targets for airstrikes?
ecsrobin said:
And I was there in 2008 working on Typhoon when it was signed off as a multirole aircraft. Although as you mention it's a slow process, however with war comes urgent operation requirements so hopefully that speeds things up for certain weapon systems.
Absolutely. Things that take two years in peacetime can be done in two months under combat conditions.Which is pretty much what Eric said...
The typhoon was initially developed as an air to air aircraft. in 2008 the aircraft became a multi role aircraft meaning it can do air to air, and air to ground. All RAF typhoons are to this standard now as far as I'm aware.
They are able to drop paveway IV, and can carry Litening III which is a laser targeting pod so can be used to designate targets for other aircraft to attack.
ecsrobin said:
Eric Mc said:
The Typhoon is primarilly an air defence fighter aircraft but the RAF are developing it into an effective ground attack aircraft. They desperately need to as the Tornado will be withdrawn within a couple of years and they need to retain that bombing capability.
Wrong. The typhoon was initially developed as an air to air aircraft. in 2008 the aircraft became a multi role aircraft meaning it can do air to air, and air to ground. All RAF typhoons are to this standard now as far as I'm aware.
They are able to drop paveway IV, and can carry Litening III which is a laser targeting pod so can be used to designate targets for other aircraft to attack.
Oilchange said:
Which is pretty much what Eric said...
The typhoon was initially developed as an air to air aircraft. in 2008 the aircraft became a multi role aircraft meaning it can do air to air, and air to ground. All RAF typhoons are to this standard now as far as I'm aware.
They are able to drop paveway IV, and can carry Litening III which is a laser targeting pod so can be used to designate targets for other aircraft to attack.
But escrobin gave birth to the Typhoon from his own birth canal and is very precious about it, right down to semantics. ecsrobin said:
Eric Mc said:
The Typhoon is primarilly an air defence fighter aircraft but the RAF are developing it into an effective ground attack aircraft. They desperately need to as the Tornado will be withdrawn within a couple of years and they need to retain that bombing capability.
Wrong. The typhoon was initially developed as an air to air aircraft. in 2008 the aircraft became a multi role aircraft meaning it can do air to air, and air to ground. All RAF typhoons are to this standard now as far as I'm aware.
They are able to drop paveway IV, and can carry Litening III which is a laser targeting pod so can be used to designate targets for other aircraft to attack.
typhoon's air to air capabilties were developed first primarily because other key users hadn't taken up the Tornado ADV in significant numbers and were using older aircraft which really were life expiring ( iirc the Italians ended up leasing F3s from the RAF as an interim gap filler because they were both Tornado partners and Eurofighter partners and had operated the Tornado IDS since the beginning )
Mr_B said:
The pre vote talk was of 4 to 8 Tornados being sent, as much play was made about the Brimstone missile and the need for just this type of weapon. So how come that all changed ?
The Brimstone is very good for killing single people with little collateral damage. If you want to blow up a dozen oil tankers at the same time you want something that goes "BOOM" impressively, and the Typhoons are just fine for dropping those. If the Typhoon was originally an air to air, and they presumably always knew the Tornado would hang up its boots one day, were there no plans to replace the Tornado with something specifically designed for the job, or was the Typhoon always envisaged as a multi-role? Either way the Typhoon would appear to be not as effective as a Tornado as a bomber (at least in terms of capacity) so are we not losing capability as a whole by phasing out an aircraft without a like for like replacement?
Given the threat these days is almost exclusively without air power, and air to air combat has been incredibly minimal since WWII, a lot of effort and money seems to go into that area. I find it hard to understand that even to this day how we wouldn't be better off with modernised Harriers and Tornados and a couple of aircraft carriers.
Given the threat these days is almost exclusively without air power, and air to air combat has been incredibly minimal since WWII, a lot of effort and money seems to go into that area. I find it hard to understand that even to this day how we wouldn't be better off with modernised Harriers and Tornados and a couple of aircraft carriers.
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