Why is the first mate on a ship addressed as "Mr"?
Why is the first mate on a ship addressed as "Mr"?
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HOGEPH

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Saturday 12th December 2015
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Any reason why historically the first mate is usually addressed so formally?

TVR1

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254 months

Sunday 13th December 2015
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HOGEPH said:
Any reason why historically the first mate is usually addressed so formally?
Short for 'Master' he is the defacto 2nd in command of the Captain.

HOGEPH

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Monday 14th December 2015
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Thanks for the information.

JeremyH5

1,834 posts

164 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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It's a bit more complex according to this:
http://www.pdavis.nl/Q4.htm

Guvernator

14,442 posts

194 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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Was always confused by this when I watched Star Trek Wrath of Khan when I was little and they kept referring to the female Vulcan as "Mr" Saavik, assumed it was some weird Vulcan sex-change thing. smile

Popeyed

566 posts

248 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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The Chief Officer on merchant vessels is often referred to as the Mate or the Chief Mate, however, I don't ever recall being called Mr Mate when in that rank at sea.

kowalski655

15,210 posts

172 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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Captain Pugwash had a Master Bates in his crew smile






Yes,I know its an urban legend!

Kenty

5,286 posts

204 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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I believe it came from the RN days when the master and mate were non-commissioned and the RN officers called them 'MR' to add deference to their position.

Foliage

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151 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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HOGEPH said:
Any reason why historically the first mate is usually addressed so formally?
Mister 'whatever' instead of just 'whatever' is used as a sign of respect, a captain would want to address his 2nd in command (and other lower rank officers) with respect, wouldn't be required to address him as 'sir' or by his rank, but just shouting his surname would be disrespectful.

Master is something entirely different and the ships master would be addressed by all ranks as Master, and was a senior NCO in charge of discipline.

If another rank was in charge of the handling/navigation of the ship they would be refered to a coxswain.

This is how I understand it, being from a naval family, the tradition of it is probably far more complex than that.