Dauntless and Daring to get new engines

[Impasse]

All of the RN's Type 45 Destroyers are set to undergo an engine replacement due to numerous failures while in service. The work will be carried out while the ships are in dock for the refits starting in 2019.

BBC clicky

[Evanivitch]

Something that's been a known issue for quite some time.

Interested to know the costs involved.

[ecsrobin]

Back in November/December nearly the whole fleet of the, were in port with scaffolding on, I'm guessing maintenance or upgrades on their sensor kit.

[aeropilot]

Ouch.....

So, is this a 'design not fit for purpose' situation with the builders/manufacturers having to foot the bill, or are we the taxpayer having to stump up the extra for this I wonder......???

[paintman]

Probably been used in the wrong type of water.........

[skirk]

Too fking complicated ....they should have stuck to tried and tested propulsion plants ...not something that needs a BAE contractor to fly out and fix....they should never have ditched the batch 3 T42's..........the T45's are all robbed of crew anyway to start filling the flat-tops....crying shame our Navy has got to this state....

[ApOrbital]

Just seen it on sky news one of the ships was flying the usa flag

[plasticpig]

ApOrbital said:

Just seen it on sky news one of the ships was flying the usa flag

It's probably a courtesy ensign. When visiting foreign waters an ensign of the host nation is often flown. I have seen US warships flying the white ensign when visiting the UK.

[Simpo Two]

Used those engines because they were economical to run and oil was expensive, according to R4 today.

[Mojocvh]

I have no doubt who will be picking up the tab.

what propulsion system do the carrier's without aircraft have?

Have heard it's got nowt to do with engines but electrical power generation...

Edited by Mojocvh on Friday 29th January 11:55

[AlexS]

Mojocvh said:

I have no doubt who will be picking up the tab.

what propulsion system do the carrier's without aircraft have?

Have heard it's got nowt to do with engines but electrical power generation...

The aircraft carriers use MT30s not WR21s.

Where do you think the electrical power comes from?

[ApOrbital]

Ah cheers plasticpig think one of them did go to the usa.

[kurt535]

well, lets face it, whoever designed the ships took the view as the craft had such super air defence systems that cost a packet, get some cash back by skimping on engines on the basis if the engines broke, they could easily defend themselves till they got a tow so no problem...................................

[Impasse]

kurt535 said:

well, lets face it, whoever designed the ships took the view as the craft had such super air defence systems that cost a packet, get some cash back by skimping on engines on the basis if the engines broke, they could easily defend themselves till they got a tow so no problem...................................

But that's very short sighted. The ships will need their engines to make them go fast enough to keep up with the aircraft carriers currently being built. They can do a submarine beating 45 kts donchaknow.

/cough/

[kurt535]

Impasse said:

kurt535 said:

well, lets face it, whoever designed the ships took the view as the craft had such super air defence systems that cost a packet, get some cash back by skimping on engines on the basis if the engines broke, they could easily defend themselves till they got a tow so no problem...................................

But that's very short sighted. The ships will need their engines to make them go fast enough to keep up with the aircraft carriers currently being built. They can do a submarine beating 45 kts donchaknow.

/cough/

just a wee bit short sighted....

[aeropilot]

AlexS said:

Mojocvh said:

I have no doubt who will be picking up the tab.

what propulsion system do the carrier's without aircraft have?

Have heard it's got nowt to do with engines but electrical power generation...

The aircraft carriers use MT30s not WR21s.

Allegedly..... it was a political decision to make the change to WR21's from BAES's original scheme design which used a GE unit.....
If true, I'm sure it's then only a pure coincidence that said politician's constituency was quite close to HQ of WR21 maker.......

[AlexS]

Impasse said:

kurt535 said:

well, lets face it, whoever designed the ships took the view as the craft had such super air defence systems that cost a packet, get some cash back by skimping on engines on the basis if the engines broke, they could easily defend themselves till they got a tow so no problem...................................

But that's very short sighted. The ships will need their engines to make them go fast enough to keep up with the aircraft carriers currently being built. They can do a submarine beating 45 kts donchaknow.

/cough/

There was certainly no skimping on the speccing of the engines for the Type 45. The WR21 is highly advanced, highly efficient (well over 30% more efficient than an equivalent GT operating at the same power level), compact (they cannot easily be replaced with the MT30) and very costly.

Edited by AlexS on Friday 29th January 15:53

[Godalmighty83]

As far as I'm aware it's the diesels not the GT's that are playing up.

[Impasse]

Anybody misplaced a parrot?

[Mojocvh]

AlexS said:

Mojocvh said:

I have no doubt who will be picking up the tab.

what propulsion system do the carrier's without aircraft have?

Have heard it's got nowt to do with engines but electrical power generation...

The aircraft carriers use MT30s not WR21s.

Where do you think the electrical power comes from?

What was that you said?

bloody navy bankrupting the defence budget