should overhead lockers be locked at time of accident
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Another perverse safety issue?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36985862
Surely if they lock the lockers you'll get people frantically trying to get their stuff out of a locked locker, or keeping it around their feet
Its the same when a fire alarm goes off in a hotel
There's a minimum anout of personal stuff you need to grab to get out and you can do that relatively quickly without thinking about it
If you try to make people do whats natural it can take longer
Was there any real problem with people grabbing stuff while queuing to get out?
As you were
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36985862
Surely if they lock the lockers you'll get people frantically trying to get their stuff out of a locked locker, or keeping it around their feet
Its the same when a fire alarm goes off in a hotel
There's a minimum anout of personal stuff you need to grab to get out and you can do that relatively quickly without thinking about it
If you try to make people do whats natural it can take longer
Was there any real problem with people grabbing stuff while queuing to get out?
As you were
It's good that it opens the debate if nothing else. We know nothing will actually change until people die, but this incident seemed close enough to that to make people sit up and take notice (before they forget again in a few weeks).
A few personal possessions is one thing, full size roller carry-ons is just asking for trouble (considering they tell people to remove heels, I presume suitcases are not great for emergency slides either).
A few personal possessions is one thing, full size roller carry-ons is just asking for trouble (considering they tell people to remove heels, I presume suitcases are not great for emergency slides either).
No, because all the morons would be rattling the latches as they burn, wondering why they cant get their fooking mahoosive suitcase down.
I hate with a passion all those tossers that bring the absolute biggest bag they can fit, they drag it through the airport and then have an overstuffed rucksack wrapped round the handles as well.
It really pisses me off, two pensioners on my flight the other day struggling to get these over sized bags into the overhead bins, what is really the issue with waiting a few mins for baggage reclaim, can understand perhaps for the odd business traveller with a change of shirt, on a tight schedule but American pensioners seemingly on holiday ?
Then they f
k about with it all through the flight, should be just allowed a small squashy bag, not a slightly under sized suitcase.
I hate with a passion all those tossers that bring the absolute biggest bag they can fit, they drag it through the airport and then have an overstuffed rucksack wrapped round the handles as well.
It really pisses me off, two pensioners on my flight the other day struggling to get these over sized bags into the overhead bins, what is really the issue with waiting a few mins for baggage reclaim, can understand perhaps for the odd business traveller with a change of shirt, on a tight schedule but American pensioners seemingly on holiday ?
Then they f
k about with it all through the flight, should be just allowed a small squashy bag, not a slightly under sized suitcase.J4CKO said:
No, because all the morons would be rattling the latches as they burn, wondering why they cant get their fooking mahoosive suitcase down.
I hate with a passion all those tossers that bring the absolute biggest bag they can fit, they drag it through the airport and then have an overstuffed rucksack wrapped round the handles as well.
It really pisses me off, two pensioners on my flight the other day struggling to get these over sized bags into the overhead bins, what is really the issue with waiting a few mins for baggage reclaim, can understand perhaps for the odd business traveller with a change of shirt, on a tight schedule but American pensioners seemingly on holiday ?
Then they fk about with it all through the flight, should be just allowed a small squashy bag, not a slightly under sized suitcase.
Guessing you haven't lost your luggage much?I hate with a passion all those tossers that bring the absolute biggest bag they can fit, they drag it through the airport and then have an overstuffed rucksack wrapped round the handles as well.
It really pisses me off, two pensioners on my flight the other day struggling to get these over sized bags into the overhead bins, what is really the issue with waiting a few mins for baggage reclaim, can understand perhaps for the odd business traveller with a change of shirt, on a tight schedule but American pensioners seemingly on holiday ?
Then they f
k about with it all through the flight, should be just allowed a small squashy bag, not a slightly under sized suitcase.I used to fly A LOT, I didn't mind waiting for the luggage when it was on the flight.
I did mind standing around for an hour, only to be told that the bag wasn't on the flight and will turn up a week later when I'm only there for 3 days.
The problem with the Emirates flight in particular was the number of migrant workers. Those bags will contain every single document they own, passport, birth certificate, visa etc etc and quite possibly a decent wedge of cash (to them at least) so it's partly understandable. Now if these people had any sense they'd keep important documentation on their person. I always keep my passport in the seat pocket or my pocket so that if I ever do need to get out I'm only going to suffer the minor inconvenience of having to buy new clothes. Perhaps that should be suggested in the briefing?
Perhaps what's also needed is to make it an offence to use a slide/evacuate with a bag? Enormous fine and possibly more. Make it known that if you take your bag down that slide you're going to lose £Xk and people may consider whether it's really worth rescuing their spare underpants that are likely insured anyway.
Perhaps what's also needed is to make it an offence to use a slide/evacuate with a bag? Enormous fine and possibly more. Make it known that if you take your bag down that slide you're going to lose £Xk and people may consider whether it's really worth rescuing their spare underpants that are likely insured anyway.
J4CKO said:
What is really the issue with waiting a few mins for baggage reclaim, can understand perhaps for the odd business traveller with a change of shirt, on a tight schedule but American pensioners seemingly on holiday ?
Or because it costs £20 each way to take a suitcase on easyjet?Just back from 2 weekd Italy with Easyjet and we only took 3 suitcases between 4 of us. Three of used two suitcases as I couldn't quite get three people's stuff into one, and then my stepson took the biggest suitcase I have ever seen just for him. I don't mind waiting at the carousel as it only takes about 10 mins.
The problem I see, regularly, is that airlines are repeatedly failing to enforce their own baggage restrictions. At times, this is exacerbated by not providing overhead lockers for all passengers, because they are being taken up with crew kits etc.
If people took the right size of baggage, there would never be any scramble for overhead locker space and hence everyone's bags would be in the locker above their heads - a place for everything and everything in its place. Mrs Digga was on an Emirates flight from India to Dubai the other week and saw the usual cabin baggage chaos that many of us have seen, and is by no means peculiar to just one airline or region.
The carry on baggage restrictions could and should be enforced properly at the departure gate. Certainly a lot of the budget airlines seem quite happy and capable of doing this.
If people took the right size of baggage, there would never be any scramble for overhead locker space and hence everyone's bags would be in the locker above their heads - a place for everything and everything in its place. Mrs Digga was on an Emirates flight from India to Dubai the other week and saw the usual cabin baggage chaos that many of us have seen, and is by no means peculiar to just one airline or region.
The carry on baggage restrictions could and should be enforced properly at the departure gate. Certainly a lot of the budget airlines seem quite happy and capable of doing this.
annodomini2 said:
J4CKO said:
No, because all the morons would be rattling the latches as they burn, wondering why they cant get their fooking mahoosive suitcase down.
I hate with a passion all those tossers that bring the absolute biggest bag they can fit, they drag it through the airport and then have an overstuffed rucksack wrapped round the handles as well.
It really pisses me off, two pensioners on my flight the other day struggling to get these over sized bags into the overhead bins, what is really the issue with waiting a few mins for baggage reclaim, can understand perhaps for the odd business traveller with a change of shirt, on a tight schedule but American pensioners seemingly on holiday ?
Then they fk about with it all through the flight, should be just allowed a small squashy bag, not a slightly under sized suitcase.
Guessing you haven't lost your luggage much?I hate with a passion all those tossers that bring the absolute biggest bag they can fit, they drag it through the airport and then have an overstuffed rucksack wrapped round the handles as well.
It really pisses me off, two pensioners on my flight the other day struggling to get these over sized bags into the overhead bins, what is really the issue with waiting a few mins for baggage reclaim, can understand perhaps for the odd business traveller with a change of shirt, on a tight schedule but American pensioners seemingly on holiday ?
Then they f
k about with it all through the flight, should be just allowed a small squashy bag, not a slightly under sized suitcase.I used to fly A LOT, I didn't mind waiting for the luggage when it was on the flight.
I did mind standing around for an hour, only to be told that the bag wasn't on the flight and will turn up a week later when I'm only there for 3 days.
djc206 said:
The problem with the Emirates flight in particular was the number of migrant workers. Those bags will contain every single document they own, passport, birth certificate, visa etc etc and quite possibly a decent wedge of cash (to them at least) so it's partly understandable. Now if these people had any sense they'd keep important documentation on their person.
How about the BA flight in Vegas? Loads of passengers with rolling cases pictures on the tarmac after that one.ukaskew said:
How about the BA flight in Vegas? Loads of passengers with rolling cases pictures on the tarmac after that one.
There were yes, didn't look to be as many as with the Emirates flight but I could be wrong. Idiots the lot of them and something should be done to prevent this happening again.Passengers who take their luggage from overhead lockers or under the seats during an evacuation should be exempt from any form of compensation or being able to sue the airline for emotional stress or injury.
I landed later that day and it was not a nice thing to see. More life could have been lost.
I landed later that day and it was not a nice thing to see. More life could have been lost.
48k said:
There can be safety equipment stored in some of the lockers (depending on type of aircraft and configuration) so would be a little self defeating to centrally lock them in the event of an accident.
You could leave those unlocked.Regardless, the airlines are beginning to reap what they've sown here. Look at this picture of a 707 interior. See the overhead storage?
Just enough room for a fedora.
There's your problem. If the only thing in the overhead storage was a dapper hat there wouldn't be much problem with taking it with you.
I think we're getting to a crunch point. Hand luggage only is getting longer and longer haul, and the bags keep getting bigger. We're going to see a big incident before IATA steps in.
I only put a laptop bag in the O/H bins, and it annoys me when some fker squashes it when he shoves his massive rolling suitcase into the already full locker.
Nobody seems to use the space under the seat in front anymore.
I would make the O/H lockers much smaller, job jobbed.
I have flown somewhere at least twice a month for the past 10 years and only had a hold bag delayed twice.
ker squashes it when he shoves his massive rolling suitcase into the already full locker.Nobody seems to use the space under the seat in front anymore.
I would make the O/H lockers much smaller, job jobbed.
I have flown somewhere at least twice a month for the past 10 years and only had a hold bag delayed twice.
It's time for all airlines to start offering free hold baggage again or increase the allowance, and try and discourage people from taking maximum cabin baggage. When you get the likes of Easyjet charging £35 to put a case in the hold you can understand why people will risk taking the biggest case they can.
Surely it is safer having 99% of the luggage in the hold anyway? You reduce the risk of getting walloped on the head while some cretin tries to put something the size of a tea chest in the overhead locker. And in an emergency it takes away the temptation from people to try and retrieve their belongings.
The last flight I was on, the plane could have taken off on time if it hadn't become a big jigsaw puzzle of people trying to fit their luggage in the lockers.
Surely it is safer having 99% of the luggage in the hold anyway? You reduce the risk of getting walloped on the head while some cretin tries to put something the size of a tea chest in the overhead locker. And in an emergency it takes away the temptation from people to try and retrieve their belongings.
The last flight I was on, the plane could have taken off on time if it hadn't become a big jigsaw puzzle of people trying to fit their luggage in the lockers.
Edited by ch108 on Monday 8th August 21:01
What happened to these cabin luggage cages in the airport lounge that determined if your bag was to big to carry on ?
Some of the bags/cases people bring on are fking huge, normally being pulled/carried by some young girl carrying her own weight & size in baggage.
Some of the bags/cases people bring on are f
king huge, normally being pulled/carried by some young girl carrying her own weight & size in baggage.Edited by TonyF55 on Monday 8th August 22:14
I've had 3 cases of lost luggage this year alone.
BA twice and SAS this month. In these occasions my luggage was lost for 24 hours each time.
I've had luggage lost for 2 weeks in the past, 4 days in Tanzania and probably 15 cases of lost luggage in total in my 12 years of travelling. It is a huge pain in the butt working 12 hour days in hot countries with no work clothes, try finding work gear and boots for an 18 stone man in Bangladesh.
The issue though, as has been mentioned, is the lack of control. Most airlines just don't comply with their own rules at all. Travelling around Asia and Africa is ridiculous at times and it should be a black and white rule. If it won't go in the box, it goes in the hold.
I don't think compartments should be locked as people will panic and be even slower leaving the plane.
Dave!
BA twice and SAS this month. In these occasions my luggage was lost for 24 hours each time.
I've had luggage lost for 2 weeks in the past, 4 days in Tanzania and probably 15 cases of lost luggage in total in my 12 years of travelling. It is a huge pain in the butt working 12 hour days in hot countries with no work clothes, try finding work gear and boots for an 18 stone man in Bangladesh.
The issue though, as has been mentioned, is the lack of control. Most airlines just don't comply with their own rules at all. Travelling around Asia and Africa is ridiculous at times and it should be a black and white rule. If it won't go in the box, it goes in the hold.
I don't think compartments should be locked as people will panic and be even slower leaving the plane.
Dave!
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