Hawker Siddeley Trident - Talk

[Eric Mc]

As I am a member of the FAST Museum at Farnborough, I get regular updates on forthcoming talks and lectures.

Next Tuesday (9 May) they are holding a talk at the Village Inn Farnborough (part of the new trading estate complex on the airfield). The topic is -

"Hawker Siddeley Trident: Blind Faith, Blind Landing" by Max Kingsley-Jones.


I think it should be very interesting as the failure of the Trident as a commercial project is one of the great "What ifs" of British post war civil aviation.

Admission is £5.00 for non FAST members and you can pay on the door. Members get in for nothing.

Just a taster of the subject -

[Steve_D]

What time is the talk?
Think I may come up for that as my father was on Trident and one of the first captains to be cleared for autoland.

Steve

[Eric Mc]

Doors open at 7.00 pm and I expect the talk will start at 7.30 pm.

They usually have free coffee on hand as well.

If you make yourself known to me when you arrive, that would be great.

[Ayahuasca]

Aviation: a game in which the UK's flair for innovation is not matched by its business acumen, and in the end the Americans win.

[Eric Mc]

Ayahuasca said:

Aviation: a game in which the UK's flair for innovation is not matched by its business acumen, and in the end the Americans win.

That and lots of other issues.

I'm looking forward to the talk.

Doors open at 7.00 pm. They usually have coffee on the go before the talk begins.

[tight5]

Eric Mc said:

If you make yourself known to me when you arrive, that would be great.

Wear a pink carnation.

[Arnold Cunningham]

Just to mess with your head, I'm gonna wear a pink carnation too. lol

[hantsxlg]

Bonus point for the first person to name who copied the design from the inlet in engine in the tail to great sucess.

[djc206]

hantsxlg said:

Bonus point for the first person to name who copied the design from the inlet in engine in the tail to great sucess.

Dassault?

[Arnold Cunningham]

Lockheed

[hantsxlg]

Nope.

Had 4 then 6 wheels.

[Eric Mc]

Well, Boeing used the same basic layout in their 727 - which was everything the Trident wasn't.

However, the idea of an inlet ahead of the tail fin was not original to the Trident.

The Martin B-51 of 1947 had such an arrangement -



The 1950 Sub Ouest 2400 also had something similar

[Arnold Cunningham]

Gotta be Boeing or Tupolev then?
I still stand by Lockheed though, Tristar was a great aeroplane.

[Ayahuasca]

Tupolev

Tu-73

[Eric Mc]

Never seen that before.

Looking up the details on Wiki it seems to date from the same era as the XB-51 but it did fly first.

Neither the B-51 nor the Tu73 were put into production.

[knight]

I was on one of the last BA Trident flights on 31st Dec 1985 coming back from AMS, we flew parallel with the MAN flight and touched down nearly simultaneously

[hantsxlg]

All on the wrong TRACK.... (and this snippet is from the same talk I went to at Brooklands a few years back. It was very interesting, and worth going to if you are an aero-geek)

[Arnold Cunningham]

Ah-ha! Which makes me think train. But I know roughly what he russian & us jet trains looked like and I think they were pods on the roof, not in the tail.
The V1 launched off a track, IIRC, but I don't think a pulse jet engine counts, & really, it was a pod as well.
What else runs on a track and has wheels? The human g-force tests were rocket powered I think - as are most experimental track based tests.

[hantsxlg]

arnold... getting closer. Broaden your mind on 'track' and think about my other clue.....

[V8LM]

hantsxlg said:

Nope.

Had 4 then 6 wheels.

March.