Mosquito on More 4
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silverfoxcc

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8,365 posts

174 months

Saturday 31st March 2018
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Greatr prog on gthe flying wardrobe
Try and get it on catch up

steve-5snwi

10,268 posts

122 months

Saturday 31st March 2018
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I caught the last 10 mins, i never realised they got one back in the air, its a shame it wasn't in the UK.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Saturday 31st March 2018
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There are TWO now flying - with a third on the way.

V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

161 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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Has there ever been another military aircraft that performed so well from day one?

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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I'd say that the Spitfire performed pretty well from the off.

The Mosquito was by no means perfect either. There were certain theatres of war where it just couldn't be used effectively because of its propensity to come apart in hot and humid climates. I know a chap who worked on them in Egypt after the war and he told me that the wing spars were de-bonding in the heat. He said they shouldn't really have been flying them.

Having said all that, it was a truly inspirational design and it would be great to see one flying again in the UK.

Simpo Two

92,654 posts

294 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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One of the advantages of the Mosquito often overlooked was its bombload per crew member. It made the Lanc look quite shabby!

Edited by Simpo Two on Sunday 1st April 14:49

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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Different philosophies and the Lancaster owed its ancestry to a1936 requirement. The Mossie wasn't even dreamt of in 1936.

The Mosquito was really a suggestion from De Havilland so that De Havilland could get a "piece of the action" as it had not really had any front line military aircraft in its recent design history (at least not since the DH9 and DH10 of World War 1). De Havilland had very little experience of metal aircraft ( I think the Flamingo was the only metal aeroplane they had built before World War 2) o the Mossie could make use of their area of expertise - wooden airframes.

The Air Ministry were not convinced as to them "modern" aeroplanes had to be metal. They were persuaded as much by the argument that underutilised segments of the economy (i.e. woodworking industries such as furniture manufacturing and piano making) could be drafted in to the war effort.

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V8LM

5,552 posts

238 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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I know many had flame shields over them, but why only 10 exhausts on most (pictures of early aircraft show 12).

Mr Pointy

13,319 posts

188 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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Sorry, but I've had to stop watching it. Far too much of the programme was more about the presenter's personal journey than the Mosquito. Presumably they struggled to find enough archive material to fill an hour but endless shots of the presenter dicking around with irrelevant light aircraft had me reaching for the delete button.

dr_gn

16,924 posts

213 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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V8LM said:
I know many had flame shields over them, but why only 10 exhausts on most (pictures of early aircraft show 12).
The rear two stubs of each bank on earlier versions were combined to give more clearance to the wing. Later ones had 12 stubs because the engines were further forward due to a two stage supercharger being fitted.

dr_gn

16,924 posts

213 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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Simpo Two said:
One of the advantages of the Mosquito often overlooked was its bombload per crew member. It made the Lanc look quite shabby!

Edited by Simpo Two on Sunday 1st April 14:49
Lancaster: 14,000 lbs / 7 crew = 2000lbs/person

Mosquito: 4,000lbs / 2 crew =
2000 lbs/person.

Don’t you mean B-17 rather than Lancaster?


Tony1963

5,808 posts

191 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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Or 22,000lb if needed.....

Tony1963

5,808 posts

191 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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Why try to compare two completely different aircraft?

The range AND max bomb load of the Lanc far exceeded those of the Mosquito.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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World War 2 was mainly fought by aircraft designed in the early to mid 1930s. When the war kicked off, it quickly became apparent that a number of concepts which had been held in high esteem in the 1930s were not working out in the reality of actual modern air fighting.

One of the dearly held assumptions of the 1930s was that "the bomber would always get through" i.e. a heavily armed bomber (fitted with power operated turrets, if British) would be able to fight its way through the target in daylight and use its powerful self defence armament to ward off fighter attack, Speed, although useful, was not crucial.

The Americans also held a similar belief. They took the concept to even higher levels when they designed the B-17 believing that a well defended stratospheric bomber which was also fast (at the time it was designed) would provide even more certainty that the bomber would reach the target and bomb it accurately from extreme altitude (30,000 feet) using its special computer controlled Norden bombsight.

Both the RAF and the USAAF discovered that these assumptions were flawed. The RAF switched to night bombing but the USAAF persisted in their pre-war beliefs that high performance, high altitude bombers could get through to their targets. It was only when proper long range escort fighters became available that the US system began to pay off.

The Mossie emerged at a time when the flaws in the pre war ideas were beginning to emerge and De Havilland saw their design as an alternative methodology.

Tony1963

5,808 posts

191 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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But again, the Mosquito had a limited range. No air to air refuelling, and for a while no way of being based closer to many targets.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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It was never intended that the Mosquito would replace the main force of Bomber Command. It was ideal for specialist missions and was an adaptable airframe - so could be used for many different types of missions.

It excelled as a night fighter quickly supplanting other types in service in that role, such as the Beaufighter. Its main shortcoming was its unsuitability for use in humid climates - even though they were used in India and Borneo they did have a habit of coming apart.

Goring was furious that the British could produce such an excellent aircraft using wood and ordered that the Luftwaffe have an equivalent. The resultant Focke -Wulf Ta154 was less than spectacular -




Tony1963

5,808 posts

191 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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I'm at a loss.

This has turned into a display of random knowledge, going off track completely.

wolfracesonic

9,177 posts

156 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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Tony1963 said:
I'm at a loss.

This has turned into a display of random knowledge, going off track completely.
You do know where you are don't you?

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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Isn't that what discussion threads are for - discussing the topic? The topic is the Mosquito from what I could tell.

Tony1963

5,808 posts

191 months

Sunday 1st April 2018
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Maybe I just have a problem with a 'discussion' that is dominated by regurgitated facts.

Apologies if everyone else prefers that.