USS Fitzgerald Crash
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bitchstewie

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bxlbaz

383 posts

175 months

Thursday 7th February 2019
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Very well written article I thought

LHRFlightman

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194 months

Friday 8th February 2019
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Just read this. Lost for words, horrific. frown

Mr Pointy

12,878 posts

183 months

Friday 8th February 2019
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It's difficult to believe that a (fairly) modern, front line ship was such a bag of crap with critical systems like the radar having bits of tape blocking off vital functions. Having to hit F5 one thousand times an hour to manually refresh the radar display is just beyond comprehension. I'll bet none of those really responsible for the ships being in such disarray got punished though.

I hope our sailors don't have to cope with this level of maintenance issue, although I fear someone is going to post that they do.

Schmeeky

4,267 posts

241 months

Saturday 9th February 2019
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bxlbaz said:
Very well written article I thought
Yep, an extremely well put together piece.
So many little wrongs that had to come together to produce this outcome, any one of which having been done right would have prevented the accident.

Craigyp79

621 posts

207 months

Saturday 9th February 2019
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Thanks for that, an extremely well written article into a horrific but fascinating incident.

Wozy68

5,436 posts

194 months

Saturday 9th February 2019
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Mr Pointy said:
It's difficult to believe that a (fairly) modern, front line ship was such a bag of crap with critical systems like the radar having bits of tape blocking off vital functions. Having to hit F5 one thousand times an hour to manually refresh the radar display is just beyond comprehension. I'll bet none of those really responsible for the ships being in such disarray got punished though.

I hope our sailors don't have to cope with this level of maintenance issue, although I fear someone is going to post that they do.
You’d like to the think the captain would refuse to go to sea ....... but what I’ve read that’s a one way ticket to sailing a tug afterwards, armed forces or merchant ..... shocking really and seems to date back hundreds of years.

IanH755

2,642 posts

144 months

Sunday 10th February 2019
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It's the same old disconnect between those "at the coal face" and their managers sat in an office.

The workers fear being sacked or having their career hit so they tell the management everything is fine, making almost impossible to be the first whistle blower because the management will just say "but the last X number of Captains were OK so it must be you that's at fault" etc.

It happens everywhere, it's just not a life threatening occurance in the vast majority of places.

Scobblelotcher

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136 months

Sunday 10th February 2019
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As an ex-RN bod, I really enjoyed the read it was very well written.

The problems appear many and complex and in some ways (but not all!) it's fascinating that the ship sailed with so many serious problems.

Thanks for posting Stewie!

Teddy Lop

8,301 posts

91 months

Sunday 10th February 2019
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Mr Pointy said:
It's difficult to believe that a (fairly) modern, front line ship was such a bag of crap with critical systems like the radar having bits of tape blocking off vital functions. Having to hit F5 one thousand times an hour to manually refresh the radar display is just beyond comprehension. I'll bet none of those really responsible for the ships being in such disarray got punished though.

I hope our sailors don't have to cope with this level of maintenance issue, although I fear someone is going to post that they do.
im a little surprised that a navy so well funded and with such resources as the US should put such a heap on a mission; if told the story blind I'd guess it was the British or french trying to act out a world superpower fantasy on a shoestring budget, or those crazy russians, or one of club med joking around or some embargoed country trying keep junk working like Iran.

DamienB

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243 months

Sunday 10th February 2019
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Beautifully presented article but it doesn't even begin to cover what a st state that ship and its crew were in.

Navy Times said:
US Navy report cited the state of the warship’s combat information centre (CIC) as indicative as to how low crew morale had fallen.

The highly sensitive space was deep within the USS Fitzgerald. It had not taken the brunt of the impact with the ACX Crystal’s bow.

Yet it was completely trashed.

“There was debris everywhere,” Fort reportedly said under oath. “Food debris, food waste, uneaten food, half-eaten food, personal gear in the form of books, workout gear, workout bands, kettlebells, weightlifting equipment, the status boards had graffiti on them.”

He also found a spilt urine bottle stashed behind a large-screen display.

Countdown

47,636 posts

220 months

Sunday 10th February 2019
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Teddy Lop said:
im a little surprised that a navy so well funded and with such resources as the US should put such a heap on a mission; if told the story blind I'd guess it was the British or french trying to act out a world superpower fantasy on a shoestring budget, or those crazy russians, or one of club med joking around or some embargoed country trying keep junk working like Iran.
My thoughts as well. AIUI the Arleigh Burke are relatively new - if that’s the state they are in it doesn’t say much for the rest of the USN.