Amazon Prime (Atlas Air Cargo) 767 has crashed in Texas
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Very unusual crash. Even a severe microburst would not cause that level of decent (7000ft/min) for a sustained period, on finals it would be a big problem but it looked like this started around 8000ft which IMHO as a non expert must be very unusual. I wonder if some of the load shifted perhaps or maybe a bird strike on the elevators? The engines were probably at idle I would have thought so even a bird into the engine should have been contained. Really very odd.
There’s apparently a video of the incident from a nearby prison cctv system that shows the plane in a steep nosedive, without any recovery attempt apparent from the outside.
Seemingly the 767 has a history of unexpected pitch control issues resulting in sudden nose dives that to this day remain largely unexplained. Sadly with significant loss of life in at least one EgyptAir air crash in 1999.
RIP to the lost crew. Best we can hope is that the cause is found and it isn’t another mystery nose dive case, as that means 767s have a very dangerous yet unresolved flaw lurking.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-inve...
Seemingly the 767 has a history of unexpected pitch control issues resulting in sudden nose dives that to this day remain largely unexplained. Sadly with significant loss of life in at least one EgyptAir air crash in 1999.
RIP to the lost crew. Best we can hope is that the cause is found and it isn’t another mystery nose dive case, as that means 767s have a very dangerous yet unresolved flaw lurking.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-inve...
dvs_dave said:
Seemingly the 767 has a history of unexpected pitch control issues resulting in sudden nose dives that to this day remain largely unexplained. Sadly with significant loss of life in at least one EgyptAir air crash in 1999.
The egyptair one was likely caused by the first officer but the NTSB held back from calling it murder suicide. The NTSB said.
1. The accident airplane's nose-down movements did not result from a failure in the elevator control system or any other airplane failure.
2. The accident airplane's movements during the initial part of the accident sequence were the result of the relief first officer's manipulation of the controls.
3. The accident airplane's movements after the command captain returned to the cockpit were the result of both pilots' inputs, including opposing elevator inputs where the relief first officer continued to command nose-down and the captain commanded nose-up elevator movements.
There is now CCTV (not the best either) of the accident and the aircraft pitches nose down and looks to be going at very high speed. Certainly did not look like any loss of control, wings perfectly level and was going way faster than what you would expect at that stage of flight. Did look like there was an attempt to pull up but was too low at this point. I am suspecting suicide now having seen that, one of the pilots could have pushed it over and gone full throttle and by the time the other pilot tried to correct it was too late.
NTSB have released some info stating that flight was normal and was in level flight at 230kts at 6200'.
Then full throttle was applied for an unknown reason.
Then a few moments later the aircraft was pitched down 50 degrees which was a result of "movement of the control column".
The whole incident from start to Impact was 20 seconds.
Sad, I think we call all read between the lines.
Then full throttle was applied for an unknown reason.
Then a few moments later the aircraft was pitched down 50 degrees which was a result of "movement of the control column".
The whole incident from start to Impact was 20 seconds.
Sad, I think we call all read between the lines.
NTSB Interim report released.
Looking as pilot error. FO in the right seat pushed the nose down to 49 degrees after potential accidental TOGA activation. Automatic thottles and auto pilot never disengaged.
Captain pulling up at the same time broke the link for elevator control (designed to do that)
FO omitted training shortcomings from his CV prior to being hired by Atlas.
More opinion from a pilot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR4xhTF-13g
Looking as pilot error. FO in the right seat pushed the nose down to 49 degrees after potential accidental TOGA activation. Automatic thottles and auto pilot never disengaged.
Captain pulling up at the same time broke the link for elevator control (designed to do that)
FO omitted training shortcomings from his CV prior to being hired by Atlas.
More opinion from a pilot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR4xhTF-13g
Is it similar to this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Fligh...
Airbus on that one, but sounds similar.... hit the TOGA switch then tried to correct what was happening. They nosed down to counter what the computer was doing (trying to follow a go-around procedure), then they worked out what was going on and then tried to execute a go-around themselves, but simply added to the computers commands for nose up and stalled it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Fligh...
Airbus on that one, but sounds similar.... hit the TOGA switch then tried to correct what was happening. They nosed down to counter what the computer was doing (trying to follow a go-around procedure), then they worked out what was going on and then tried to execute a go-around themselves, but simply added to the computers commands for nose up and stalled it.
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