SAP/"Black" project aircraft sightings in the UK!
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Hey all,
I decided to create a new thread about a sightings of unknown aircraft in the UK. There are plenty of similar threads about UFOs but this time it's not about silent triangles which disappeares in a second or two, or flying discs... but this time it's about SAP/Black Projects sightings.
I'll paste here an examples of such sightings:
"Early 2000's.A good friend of mine Bill was staying on his boat south of Norwich.About 10pm he was watching F15's perform through his binoculars against a starry sky.A couple of tankers headed home as well.A bit later on hearing more F15's he saw two heading inland with a large, almost tanker sized plane behind them, no lights on it but clearly a triangular shape against the sky."
"in august 2003 over lowestoft I was watching some f15s dogfighting early evening and a second and third flight coming over later in the evening. Just after 11:00 there was a tanker and another large jet which I could not tell what it was, only 2 engines, come in over the coast and an hour later another tanker and with it was 2 f15s trailling on either side. There was a jet just trailling the tanker slightly in front on the f15s with no nav lights, strange shape to it, a distinctive sound which was hard to tell giving the number of jets up there. Shortly after a C5 came over all on the same flight path. It was a very clear night no moon. I travelled up to the hall and the heath the next day and there was a C5 at hall parked with its tail towards the sheds where the ospreys are based. I was talking to a gentleman at the fence and he made some comments that it was a strange night at lakenheath and that the C5 had been in there and then came over to the hall. Also that lakenheath had some strange activity the night before.. I went up the next night and a few spotters where there but no planes!"
Those who had any similar sightings, mind you share them on here?
Cheers!
I decided to create a new thread about a sightings of unknown aircraft in the UK. There are plenty of similar threads about UFOs but this time it's not about silent triangles which disappeares in a second or two, or flying discs... but this time it's about SAP/Black Projects sightings.
I'll paste here an examples of such sightings:
"Early 2000's.A good friend of mine Bill was staying on his boat south of Norwich.About 10pm he was watching F15's perform through his binoculars against a starry sky.A couple of tankers headed home as well.A bit later on hearing more F15's he saw two heading inland with a large, almost tanker sized plane behind them, no lights on it but clearly a triangular shape against the sky."
"in august 2003 over lowestoft I was watching some f15s dogfighting early evening and a second and third flight coming over later in the evening. Just after 11:00 there was a tanker and another large jet which I could not tell what it was, only 2 engines, come in over the coast and an hour later another tanker and with it was 2 f15s trailling on either side. There was a jet just trailling the tanker slightly in front on the f15s with no nav lights, strange shape to it, a distinctive sound which was hard to tell giving the number of jets up there. Shortly after a C5 came over all on the same flight path. It was a very clear night no moon. I travelled up to the hall and the heath the next day and there was a C5 at hall parked with its tail towards the sheds where the ospreys are based. I was talking to a gentleman at the fence and he made some comments that it was a strange night at lakenheath and that the C5 had been in there and then came over to the hall. Also that lakenheath had some strange activity the night before.. I went up the next night and a few spotters where there but no planes!"
Those who had any similar sightings, mind you share them on here?
Cheers!
Back in the early 80s before the F117 was officially revealed the USAF decided not to deploy any to UK bases because of the preponderance of spotters. So I don't think any distinctive secret aircraft would use Lakenheath or Mildenhall, except possibly in an emergency.
The most credible secret aircraft sightings are around Warton in Lancashire, possibly some kind of stealth drone.
The most credible secret aircraft sightings are around Warton in Lancashire, possibly some kind of stealth drone.
The 2 that come to mind are:
1. The sighting and sketch of the "Triangle Shaped Aircraft" in the company of 2 F-111s and a KC-135 by Chris Gibson from a North Sea oil rig in 1989.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/oil-rig-engi...
2. The numerous reports of the crash of a classified aircraft at Boscombe down in 1994 and of an unusual aircraft operating out of RAF Machrihanish around the same time.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/secret-us-spypl...
1. The sighting and sketch of the "Triangle Shaped Aircraft" in the company of 2 F-111s and a KC-135 by Chris Gibson from a North Sea oil rig in 1989.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/oil-rig-engi...
2. The numerous reports of the crash of a classified aircraft at Boscombe down in 1994 and of an unusual aircraft operating out of RAF Machrihanish around the same time.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/secret-us-spypl...
I am fascinated by this sort of stuff. Particularly about the rumors surrounding Aurora, though I'm not convinced it exists, it's been supposedly flying so long now, surely it would be "out" by now.
I remember talking to someone years ago, I can't even remember who he was, what branch he was (I think RAF) or where he was based. Who told me about F-117's being deployed in the UK before they were made public and how they were all told in no un-certain terms not to discuss what they may or may not have seen etc.
I remember talking to someone years ago, I can't even remember who he was, what branch he was (I think RAF) or where he was based. Who told me about F-117's being deployed in the UK before they were made public and how they were all told in no un-certain terms not to discuss what they may or may not have seen etc.
The capability given up by retiring the SR-71 allegedly without replacement appeared to be significant - and only partly mitigated by satellite reconnaissance, U2 derivatives and the various drone programmes.
US Congress and the Air Force made surprisingly little fuss about the loss of such an apparently important capability.
NASA continued to operate SR-71s in a research role for almost a decade after the Air Force officially retired them, indicating that the aircraft was still viable at the point of retirement.
All a bit suspicious !
US Congress and the Air Force made surprisingly little fuss about the loss of such an apparently important capability.
NASA continued to operate SR-71s in a research role for almost a decade after the Air Force officially retired them, indicating that the aircraft was still viable at the point of retirement.
All a bit suspicious !
Edited by Seight_Returns on Tuesday 9th July 15:58
In the beginning of 2011, a group of aviation enthusiast from England(and possibly from other places too) came with interesting topic on MilitaryPhotos forum. There was a specific member "2495" that led all the discussion. Howewer, soon afterwards he disappeared from the scene. Group from England had one aim - to disocver the fastmover that roves through UK airspace by the decades. They've spent over 14 years on watching and making conclusions and finally they decided to show results of their work.
Their thread called "Hunting the Fast Movers" included photos of supposed fastmover(s) that were roaring through the UK airspace. The file included 6 pics. Unfortunatelly, OP post was deleted later.
Here is original "2495" post that I've found using Internet archive.
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First a point I'd like to make – very important point actually. At no time has any serving member of the UK (or any other nations) Armed Forces spoken to, engaged in, or in any way assisted us on our project. It has been done exclusively by civilians who have acted within the laws of the United Kingdom at all times – this includes remaining on public land / waters for all excursions. (Please note also that the photos clearly are not the originals nor high resolution and the hi res will never become available either. Reason being that this wasn't an exercise based in malice / monetary gain in any way shape or form).
The second point I'd like to draw to peoples attention is that for many decades it has been proven beyond all doubt that the CIA, NSA, NRO and all other agencies protect their SAP (Special Access Projects) behind a wall of obfuscation and deceit, and since the 'U-2' and A-12 (later to become SR-71) they have used the field of ufology as an effective counter intelligence firewall. The murkier the better as far as these agencies are concerned, and for us it is a validation of the fact that this area is a very valid research tool if you are selective about the materials you gather.
It was after years (literal years) of sifting, sieving, discarding, interviewing and traveling to follow the most promising leads we got a focus target area. This was the 'Black Triangles' mystery – and what a can of worms. There is enough material in that alone to chase a potential 8 in test / operational vehicles of varying forms / uses. However the work served a purpose and funneled us downwards to the core of what we wanted to investigate. I am sure many are familiar with the topic.
What appeared after a time was a very resounding pattern.
Cornwall – Mysterious sonic booms shaking windows and high altitude lights heading towards Wales.
Wales – high altitude black triangles rushing over head with a single strobing red light light on the underside. North Wales sightings were of particular clarity.
Scotland. The cluster of sightings and audio reports from here was astounding in detail, witness integrity and sheer numbers. Reports ranged from 'Space shuttles with snubbed noses' , 'Massive 'S' shaped curves being carved in the skies', night time 'express trains' roaring through the air and the sudden rash of 'Low level Tornado flights deep in the night along side a deeper more rumbling engine sound heading East'. Girvan, Stranraer, they all started to trickle in reports. Oh one snippet from a report of interest from 2008 - “If a C-17 goes low westward in the day time over Girvan wheels down, its an absolute100% caste iron guarantee of a night time rumbling roaring sound”. We are not sure why this is so urgent unless its bringing in fuel / fresh crews or other needed items for the mission but it actually did assist us some what.
Pattern became clear enough – It comes in high, very high over Cornwall, gets lower over wales and hits Scotland at altitudes low enough to be visible. We decided we should start to organize a hill walking holiday.
Then the tragic events of 9-11 in New York and the Global War On Terror. Fast Black triangles and air quakes didn't just hit the UK any longer – they moved down the eastern coast of the UK and started to creep across Europe, into eastern Europe and aimed right at the middle east.
Eye witnesses from the North Sea into Europe once again reported an extreme fast ' black arrow head with a single red light' and the characteristic shaking windows. Further into Europe it again became a single extreme speed pulsing red light and no noise. Climbs to altitude and races off is our boys signature and we knew it had in all probability gone from test article / dust off research craft to fully pressed into use – but we had no concrete sightings in the ME or Afghanistan.
Then pay dirt dropped into our laps.
First the grape vine started to rumble with rumors of a very unusual airframe making sporadic stops in Afghanistan.
What ever this was it came in with zero engine noise onto a blacked out runway – just a rush of air and thumping heavy landing. On take off it sounded like a 'B-1b with an attitude problem' – again though when it lifted off it was on an all blacked out runway.
Then a Civilian in Afghanistan was taking photos of the stars in long exposure, and there it was – the single fading in and out red light crossing the skies. Taking the exposure length we knew it then.
If it was a test article, it was now operational and we knew for certain why the black triangle low level sightings had it as silent; it is, but only when landing approach is being made.
Hope you like the montage. Yes the engines are mounted above the wings, yes the hull is a flattened shallow 'V', and it indeed has a single tail not a pair unlike the SR-71. (The pictures are free to share / use but please remember they are low res for a very valid reason – the underside thermal protection system and hull shape is unique and we agreed that for the time being is should stay under wraps. We were not looking to damage any assets, just to find them).
The picture on the top left shows the shovel nose to perfection and the top right is one of the rarer out at sea 'Space shuttle like' 's' curves and airframe re-entry like flight profile. These really were baffling and the last reported sighting was yesterday evening (28th Feb. 2011).#1
Is it loud? Ungodly b
ds yes it is. Is it fast? Jaw dropping acceleration into the night sky. Does it land in silence? Yes it does.
I saved the best till last.
It might have two of the biggest loudest jet engines I have ever heard that fling it skywards, but theres a third engine on board – the ear splitting roar? Its a rocket engine. Yes you read that right – the airframe climbs into the dark sky and away, then a sudden 'pop – rolling boom followed by a deep bass rumbling' and the bright exhaust signature Sprints into the night.
If you do hunt it, take a stop watch. The numbers are beautiful.
Thats all folks – a twin seat manned high speed aircraft getting lots of use – airframe numbers are low, 6 at the very most from sighting frequency / locations but they getting lots of air time. If you think all this is pie in the skies?
Now... the rumours floated around the early 90's of something occasionally using Machrihanish as a stopover or staging point. There were some radar blimps and strange soundings and hearings at night and under cover of darkness. This all led to many speculations... but as said is it just a pie in the sky?
Fastmover triangular shaped aircraft were seen all over the UK, not the silent one with lights on their corners, but the ones with distinctive rumble and conventional take off and landing ability.
What do you all think of all this? Let's talk about rumours, facts and all. Let's solve the riddle!
Their thread called "Hunting the Fast Movers" included photos of supposed fastmover(s) that were roaring through the UK airspace. The file included 6 pics. Unfortunatelly, OP post was deleted later.
Here is original "2495" post that I've found using Internet archive.
--- --- --- --- ---
First a point I'd like to make – very important point actually. At no time has any serving member of the UK (or any other nations) Armed Forces spoken to, engaged in, or in any way assisted us on our project. It has been done exclusively by civilians who have acted within the laws of the United Kingdom at all times – this includes remaining on public land / waters for all excursions. (Please note also that the photos clearly are not the originals nor high resolution and the hi res will never become available either. Reason being that this wasn't an exercise based in malice / monetary gain in any way shape or form).
The second point I'd like to draw to peoples attention is that for many decades it has been proven beyond all doubt that the CIA, NSA, NRO and all other agencies protect their SAP (Special Access Projects) behind a wall of obfuscation and deceit, and since the 'U-2' and A-12 (later to become SR-71) they have used the field of ufology as an effective counter intelligence firewall. The murkier the better as far as these agencies are concerned, and for us it is a validation of the fact that this area is a very valid research tool if you are selective about the materials you gather.
It was after years (literal years) of sifting, sieving, discarding, interviewing and traveling to follow the most promising leads we got a focus target area. This was the 'Black Triangles' mystery – and what a can of worms. There is enough material in that alone to chase a potential 8 in test / operational vehicles of varying forms / uses. However the work served a purpose and funneled us downwards to the core of what we wanted to investigate. I am sure many are familiar with the topic.
What appeared after a time was a very resounding pattern.
Cornwall – Mysterious sonic booms shaking windows and high altitude lights heading towards Wales.
Wales – high altitude black triangles rushing over head with a single strobing red light light on the underside. North Wales sightings were of particular clarity.
Scotland. The cluster of sightings and audio reports from here was astounding in detail, witness integrity and sheer numbers. Reports ranged from 'Space shuttles with snubbed noses' , 'Massive 'S' shaped curves being carved in the skies', night time 'express trains' roaring through the air and the sudden rash of 'Low level Tornado flights deep in the night along side a deeper more rumbling engine sound heading East'. Girvan, Stranraer, they all started to trickle in reports. Oh one snippet from a report of interest from 2008 - “If a C-17 goes low westward in the day time over Girvan wheels down, its an absolute100% caste iron guarantee of a night time rumbling roaring sound”. We are not sure why this is so urgent unless its bringing in fuel / fresh crews or other needed items for the mission but it actually did assist us some what.
Pattern became clear enough – It comes in high, very high over Cornwall, gets lower over wales and hits Scotland at altitudes low enough to be visible. We decided we should start to organize a hill walking holiday.
Then the tragic events of 9-11 in New York and the Global War On Terror. Fast Black triangles and air quakes didn't just hit the UK any longer – they moved down the eastern coast of the UK and started to creep across Europe, into eastern Europe and aimed right at the middle east.
Eye witnesses from the North Sea into Europe once again reported an extreme fast ' black arrow head with a single red light' and the characteristic shaking windows. Further into Europe it again became a single extreme speed pulsing red light and no noise. Climbs to altitude and races off is our boys signature and we knew it had in all probability gone from test article / dust off research craft to fully pressed into use – but we had no concrete sightings in the ME or Afghanistan.
Then pay dirt dropped into our laps.
First the grape vine started to rumble with rumors of a very unusual airframe making sporadic stops in Afghanistan.
What ever this was it came in with zero engine noise onto a blacked out runway – just a rush of air and thumping heavy landing. On take off it sounded like a 'B-1b with an attitude problem' – again though when it lifted off it was on an all blacked out runway.
Then a Civilian in Afghanistan was taking photos of the stars in long exposure, and there it was – the single fading in and out red light crossing the skies. Taking the exposure length we knew it then.
If it was a test article, it was now operational and we knew for certain why the black triangle low level sightings had it as silent; it is, but only when landing approach is being made.
Hope you like the montage. Yes the engines are mounted above the wings, yes the hull is a flattened shallow 'V', and it indeed has a single tail not a pair unlike the SR-71. (The pictures are free to share / use but please remember they are low res for a very valid reason – the underside thermal protection system and hull shape is unique and we agreed that for the time being is should stay under wraps. We were not looking to damage any assets, just to find them).
The picture on the top left shows the shovel nose to perfection and the top right is one of the rarer out at sea 'Space shuttle like' 's' curves and airframe re-entry like flight profile. These really were baffling and the last reported sighting was yesterday evening (28th Feb. 2011).#1
Is it loud? Ungodly b
ds yes it is. Is it fast? Jaw dropping acceleration into the night sky. Does it land in silence? Yes it does.I saved the best till last.
It might have two of the biggest loudest jet engines I have ever heard that fling it skywards, but theres a third engine on board – the ear splitting roar? Its a rocket engine. Yes you read that right – the airframe climbs into the dark sky and away, then a sudden 'pop – rolling boom followed by a deep bass rumbling' and the bright exhaust signature Sprints into the night.
If you do hunt it, take a stop watch. The numbers are beautiful.
Thats all folks – a twin seat manned high speed aircraft getting lots of use – airframe numbers are low, 6 at the very most from sighting frequency / locations but they getting lots of air time. If you think all this is pie in the skies?
Now... the rumours floated around the early 90's of something occasionally using Machrihanish as a stopover or staging point. There were some radar blimps and strange soundings and hearings at night and under cover of darkness. This all led to many speculations... but as said is it just a pie in the sky?
Fastmover triangular shaped aircraft were seen all over the UK, not the silent one with lights on their corners, but the ones with distinctive rumble and conventional take off and landing ability.
What do you all think of all this? Let's talk about rumours, facts and all. Let's solve the riddle!
This comes over and over again. There are particular places around the world where mind blows, especially when it comes to military aviation and things related to it. Late 80's and early 90's was a time of increasement capabilities both in coatings(yes, I'm referring to stealth), systems and propulsion methods. F-117 came out of black and was used during Desert Storm. B-2 was made back then. Only one can hazard a guess and say what was going on during that time but there is evidence of strange things that has happened then. I'll provide SoCal skyquakes as a good example.
Time goes by but there are things that may stay black for a long, long time. One of the events, that is typed as urban legend today, is Boscombe Down incident that occured in 1994. Internet is full of false info or BS stories but there are places and certain aviation sites, military workers and their buddies that can give some light on the things they 'may' heard of.
I can only guess about credibility of informations I've heard but I was fortunate enough to talk with some people that 'may' know some not-so-white things.
I will say it again, I'm not sure whether the infos I've heard are true, so please take it with a big grain of salt!
What I've heard from my crystal ball(s)? :
(this is something I have really hard time when trying to believe it but who knows?) It was a take off incident, not a landing one.
The aircraft was colored black and gray.
The aircraft was had a stealth capabilities
C-5 came for the aircraft and took it to KPMD(Plant 42 site)
The aircraft was in the UK because of the exercises(well, that is interesting...)
The aircraft was after Full Operational Capability, so it rules out of it being demonstrator or prototype.
The aircraft was there at Boscombe for more than 24 hours before the incident
The UK was involved in program as it was cooperation between US and UK.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to cross-check with my other source which stated that the aircraft was just a test platform that failed on take off.
What do you all think happened there? Let's talk about rumours, adding some bits and pieces of info to solve the riddle!
Cheers!
Time goes by but there are things that may stay black for a long, long time. One of the events, that is typed as urban legend today, is Boscombe Down incident that occured in 1994. Internet is full of false info or BS stories but there are places and certain aviation sites, military workers and their buddies that can give some light on the things they 'may' heard of.
I can only guess about credibility of informations I've heard but I was fortunate enough to talk with some people that 'may' know some not-so-white things.
I will say it again, I'm not sure whether the infos I've heard are true, so please take it with a big grain of salt!
What I've heard from my crystal ball(s)? :
(this is something I have really hard time when trying to believe it but who knows?) It was a take off incident, not a landing one.
The aircraft was colored black and gray.
The aircraft was had a stealth capabilities
C-5 came for the aircraft and took it to KPMD(Plant 42 site)
The aircraft was in the UK because of the exercises(well, that is interesting...)
The aircraft was after Full Operational Capability, so it rules out of it being demonstrator or prototype.
The aircraft was there at Boscombe for more than 24 hours before the incident
The UK was involved in program as it was cooperation between US and UK.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to cross-check with my other source which stated that the aircraft was just a test platform that failed on take off.
What do you all think happened there? Let's talk about rumours, adding some bits and pieces of info to solve the riddle!
Cheers!
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