Ban private jets?
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Dr Jekyll

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23,820 posts

285 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/04/c...

Call is to 'phase out' private jets by 2025. Why do people say 'phase out' when they mean 'ban'?

LimaDelta

7,950 posts

242 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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Is there anything Labour aren't planning on banning should they win power?

Dog Star

17,352 posts

192 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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This latest fashion from this leftist rag is doing my head in...

The Grauniad said:
It said the global heating impact of the flights
"global HEATING" - lets pile on the superlatives, eh? Warming (even to the extent that you'd not notice) won't scare the kids enough - let's ramp it up a notch and make it "heating".

What next? Global boiling? Global agonising scorching?

I read quite a bit of the Guardian - Mrs DS is a leftie so it's on our Apple apps. Some right st in there, in truth it's not much better than the Daily Mail, but without the pictures of Kim Kardashian's arse.



SamR380

737 posts

144 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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LimaDelta said:
Is there anything Labour aren't planning on banning should they win power?
Sorry to hear you might not be able to fly to your yacht in your private jet in 5 years.

anonymous-user

78 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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What a miserable bunch of sts.

Instead of banning private jets why not encourage the development of cleaner private jets and new engine technologies.

Invest in new technology and provide jobs for British engineers and boffins and young people.

Britain used to lead the way in aviation why don’t labour actually do something inspiring and lead the way in creating an environment of invention and creativity rather than just trying to stop stuff and damage UK companies and business.

The people who develop cleaner air travel will absolutely dominate the sector in the future, why can’t it be U.K. companies doing it with help from labour (or whoever) funding initiatives and encouraging apprenticeships and subsidised courses etc.

Banning private jets is just more populist rubbish like their badly conceived plan to ban private schools and seize their assets.



LimaDelta

7,950 posts

242 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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SamR380 said:
LimaDelta said:
Is there anything Labour aren't planning on banning should they win power?
Sorry to hear you might not be able to fly to your yacht in your private jet in 5 years.
Actually I very rarely fly privately to my Yacht. I can probably count on one hand the times, and that was only when we were cruising the Pacific and there weren't many scheduled options.

MKnight702

3,355 posts

238 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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El stovey said:
What a miserable bunch of sts.

Instead of banning private jets why not encourage the development of cleaner private jets and new engine technologies.

Invest in new technology and provide jobs for British engineers and boffins and young people.
Hmm, a choice between investing in British business that could lead to huge profits and associated tax revenue or simply taking toys away from the rich. It's a no brainer really.

Eric Mc

124,916 posts

289 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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That's Labour definitely on a loser here in Farnborough then. In a few months time, Gulfstream Aerospace is opening a brand new fitting out facility at Farnborough Airport which will employ around 500.

CRA1G

7,175 posts

219 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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Eric Mc said:
That's Labour definitely on a loser here in Farnborough then. In a few months time, Gulfstream Aerospace is opening a brand new fitting out facility at Farnborough Airport which will employ around 500.
Yep its absolutely crazy.... a complete industry of manufacturing and service sectors would be wiped out not to mention the lost revenues..... I can't see our EU friends flying with this one...confused

geeks

11,182 posts

163 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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Some 38 million vehicles on our roads and they would like to stop the pollution equivalent of 450,000 cars. Yeah, that's totally about "global heating"!

Krikkit

27,841 posts

205 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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MKnight702 said:
El stovey said:
What a miserable bunch of sts.

Instead of banning private jets why not encourage the development of cleaner private jets and new engine technologies.

Invest in new technology and provide jobs for British engineers and boffins and young people.
Hmm, a choice between investing in British business that could lead to huge profits and associated tax revenue or simply taking toys away from the rich. It's a no brainer really.
Yes, because people like Cessna, Gulfstream, Dassault etc don't give a fig about fuel economy on their aircraft, so haven't bothered waving the magic wand to make them super efficient yet... Oh wait.

This is just a show act for the election to get a greenie anti-rich vote. What they should do is tax the fuel to allow offset with carbon neutralisation.

dukeboy749r

3,211 posts

234 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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Dog Star said:
"global HEATING" - lets pile on the superlatives, eh? Warming (even to the extent that you'd not notice) won't scare the kids enough - let's ramp it up a notch and make it "heating".

What next? Global boiling? Global agonising scorching?

I read quite a bit of the Guardian - Mrs DS is a leftie so it's on our Apple apps. Some right st in there, in truth it's not much better than the Daily Mail, but without the pictures of Kim Kardashian's arse.
laughlaughlaughlaughlaugh

That's cheered me up

Dog Star

17,352 posts

192 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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Krikkit said:
This is just a show act for the election to get a greenie anti-rich vote.
Which is all the more ridiculous - they are hardly going to be voting Conservative, are they?

Baby Shark doo doo doo doo

15,078 posts

193 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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Concerning thing is that the headline suggests private jets, the text suggests private aviation which could be microlights, GA, gyrocopters etc as well.

Johnniem

2,738 posts

247 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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El stovey said:
What a miserable bunch of sts.

Instead of banning private jets why not encourage the development of cleaner private jets and new engine technologies.

Invest in new technology and provide jobs for British engineers and boffins and young people.

Britain used to lead the way in aviation why don’t labour actually do something inspiring and lead the way in creating an environment of invention and creativity rather than just trying to stop stuff and damage UK companies and business.

The people who develop cleaner air travel will absolutely dominate the sector in the future, why can’t it be U.K. companies doing it with help from labour (or whoever) funding initiatives and encouraging apprenticeships and subsidised courses etc.

Banning private jets is just more populist rubbish like their badly conceived plan to ban private schools and seize their assets.
When I was at school in 1970's, 85% of places were paid for by the direct grant scheme (that would have been around 1190 young people being educated in, what would have been called, an 'elite school'). This scheme was revoked by a labour govt. Most of my peers went on to make good careers in many professions both in UK and around the world. Some will pay tax abroad but the bulk will be paying good levels of tax here in blighty. More than recompensing the national coffers I should imagine. One chap in my year is actually a multi-billionaire and is known to be comfortable paying tax on what he earns, rather than loop-holing constantly.

What sort of deranged policy would be the removal of elite schools, the product of which creates the greatest wealth for the country? Surely the best thing would be to start providing free places again for youngsters who show promise but are unable to afford the (sometimes) very high fees? My own school is working towards 'means blind' places, i.e being able to fund places for those less able to afford fees. If the govt could just help out then I am sure that the tax coffers would benefit, as would those industries such as engineering and product development, to the benefit of us all. It may be the long term answer we need rather than attracting voters by removing opportunities for all.

aeropilot

39,788 posts

251 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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Eric Mc said:
That's Labour definitely on a loser here in Farnborough then. In a few months time, Gulfstream Aerospace is opening a brand new fitting out facility at Farnborough Airport which will employ around 500.
Not too many most of the big US and world corporates etc., moving their business out of the UK to a place where they can fly them into.

Corbyn and his cronies really are a complete st shower of stupidity, hell bent on wanting to turn the UK into some sort of 1950's era Soviet wasteland.

The trouble is there's enough equally stupid people in the UK that are allowed to vote.




Crafty_

13,862 posts

224 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-a...

"According to the authors, four of five private aircraft journeys within Europe today could be conducted by electric aircraft in 2025 and beyond. That said, they acknowledge that even if electric aircraft were widely adopted, this move has the potential to reduce the UK's aviation emissions of greenhouse gases by only around 15 percent by 2050."


A whole 15 percent over 30 years. woo.

Pie in the sky pandering to the greenies. Imagine the number of charter companies and fractional owners who'd lose millions having to sell aircraft off at a discount price and then have to buy an electric aircraft.

I'd be surprised if we saw anything electric powered capable of taking passengers by 2025, let alone something as big/heavy as a bizjet.


grumbledoak

32,398 posts

257 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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Anyone who thinks global warming is going to affect the rich needs pointing and laughing at.

SydneyBridge

11,058 posts

182 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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But the rich and royals use carbon offsetting, or whatever it is called
So the world will be saved after all...... or not

anonymous-user

78 months

Tuesday 5th November 2019
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LimaDelta said:
Is there anything Labour aren't planning on banning should they win power?
In fairness I'm amazed they haven't just said they will nationalise private jets.