Matilda II
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ottovonskidmark

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169 posts

142 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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An image of North Africa 1941. Just normal blokes like you and I.

Simpo Two

91,491 posts

289 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Yep, add colour and suddenly it's real.

ottovonskidmark

Original Poster:

169 posts

142 months

Monday 25th November 2019
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Just thought it was a thought provoking image. Colour or not. Matalda tanks are cool though.

aeropilot

39,788 posts

251 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Simpo Two said:
Yep, add colour and suddenly it's real.
But so inaccurate.........


Eric Mc

124,914 posts

289 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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That's the danger with "colourisation". Unless you are a model geek, it's likely the colours won't be accurate. However, I built the nice little 1/76 Airfix Matilda a couple of years ago and, using the colour details given, it looks like this - not too different to the photo.







aeropilot

39,788 posts

251 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Eric Mc said:
That's the danger with "colourisation". Unless you are a model geek, it's likely the colours won't be accurate. However, I built the nice little 1/76 Airfix Matilda a couple of years ago and, using the colour details given, it looks like this - not too different to the photo.
The tank colourisation is OK.....the crew's kit and uniforms however, are not.

Dont like rolls

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78 months

Eric Mc

124,914 posts

289 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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aeropilot said:
The tank colourisation is OK.....the crew's kit and uniforms however, are not.
What should the clothing look like?

aeropilot

39,788 posts

251 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Eric Mc said:
aeropilot said:
The tank colourisation is OK.....the crew's kit and uniforms however, are not.
What should the clothing look like?
The person colouring it, has coloured it as is they are all in the European theatre, not based on the North African theatre, where things were a lot less 'uniform' due to supply and wear n tear. Webbing wouldn't have been blanco'd with Pea Green blanco either.


Eric Mc

124,914 posts

289 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Maybe it was a dull day smile

On the whole, I am rather skeptical of colourised black and white photographs or film footage. Peter Jackson's recent World War 1 film was very well done, but I bet it still wasn't 100% accurate. How could it be?

bristolracer

5,893 posts

173 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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"Righto boys- back in the tank,we have been ordered to drive over the open desert towards the bad guys with the 88mm cannons " yikes



Eric Mc

124,914 posts

289 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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But we'll win anyway - which they did.

PAUL500

3,187 posts

270 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Colour does add a human touch which makes them seem more relevant to today, whether its accurate or not.

That pic made me realise how normal my grandad would have appeared when he was in North Africa at his age at that time. Later captured by the Italians, only to escape and ended up hiking over the Alps and into internment in Switzerland, which was not much better than the POW camp apparently.

anonymous-user

78 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Eric Mc said:
I bet it still wasn't 100% accurate. How could it be?
By taking colour samples from surviving/preserved uniforms of the era and other relevant artefacts in various museums and collections?
Ditto the soundtrack.

Mazinbrum

1,225 posts

202 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Maybe someone just used this - https://colourise.sg

I've used it for bringing old family photos to life.

Eric Mc

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289 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Crossflow Kid said:
By taking colour samples from surviving/preserved uniforms of the era and other relevant artefacts in various museums and collections?
Ditto the soundtrack.
That would help but time takes its toll on materials and colours change. I am sure Jackson did his best. He's a keen scale model builder after all. He even has his own fantastic model kit company (Wingnut Wings) so he has that scale modeller eye for detail and correctness. Many other colourised films etc are very sloppily done.

One thing you CAN'T rely on are colour photos or film taken in period. How colour gets recorded on different types of film or video can be very misleading.

Yertis

19,562 posts

290 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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I agree completely about the hand-tinted photos. Not quite so much with the in period colour photos, although you are right. But they at least show what colours things were, and by reference to things like skin tone, foliage and so on we can get a fairly good idea of how far out of balance the colours are. Take this pic of a Kittyhawk pilot, which I grabbed for my '24 hour build' (which is heading towards two years or whatever rolleyes ) I think it's as good a benchmark as any when determining what was what, colour-wise.


Eric Mc

124,914 posts

289 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Colour reproduction varies immensely - even today. At the end of the day, if the colours look "reasonable" and close to what you expect them to be, that's usually good enough. Colour interpretation is a bit of a minefield.

FourWheelDrift

91,912 posts

308 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Real Matilda II for sale for £170,000 - http://www.milweb.net/webvert/a4129/96706





Ps. Or for 15k less a Leopard 1. - https://www.milweb.net/webvert/a4352/97340

The agony of choice.

aeropilot

39,788 posts

251 months

Wednesday 27th November 2019
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Yertis said:
I agree completely about the hand-tinted photos. Not quite so much with the in period colour photos, although you are right. But they at least show what colours things were, and by reference to things like skin tone, foliage and so on we can get a fairly good idea of how far out of balance the colours are. Take this pic of a Kittyhawk pilot, which I grabbed for my '24 hour build' (which is heading towards two years or whatever rolleyes ) I think it's as good a benchmark as any when determining what was what, colour-wise.

yes

Period Kodachrome or Agfa colour pictures from WW2 are a rare treat.

This lovely shot of Boeing B-17F-5-BO Flying Fortress s/n 41-24419 "Honey Chile II" of the 97th Bomb Group was taken in England in Autumn 1942. The aircraft was destroyed on the ground during a Ju88 air raid on its then base of Briskra, North Africa on 10 January 1943.