Greatest re-heat take off ?

[ZeroGroundZero]

I present the Russian Backfire:
https://youtu.be/9Ewx7SystJw?t=359

Low light conditions and great angle to view the exhaust.
Its like something from Star Wars.

[Eric Mc]

Having seem (and heard) one of these for real, I would concur.

[ZeroGroundZero]

Where did you see one of these Eric?
Always wanted to see one take off and fly.
Has RIAT ever entertained a Backfire over the years?

[JerseyS2000]

Why are Russian afterburners generally blue when Western ones are often yellow/orange?

Different engineering?

[Eric Mc]

Farnborough 1992 -

BBC coverage (TU-22 is 32 minutes in)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPa4UdY7Jn0

And here's some footage I took using my own trusty Sanyo VMD6P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BgjvqyESqk

It only flew the once during show week, so the BBC footage and mine is from the same display. Listen for the car alarms.

[100SRV]

JerseyS2000 said:

Why are Russian afterburners generally blue when Western ones are often yellow/orange?

Different engineering?

Different fuel mix perhaps?

[FourWheelDrift]

How about the one you used to be able to pay to fly aboard? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7mt6AKKhq4

[ZeroGroundZero]

Eric Mc said:

Farnborough 1992 -

.

Excellent.
I'm guessing the likes of the Backfire, Blackjack, B1-B Lancer etc. are fitted with the most powerful of military engines ever fitted to aircraft.


Just to try and answer the colour question - this will likely be down to the fuel mixture. I'd guess that certain aircraft have engines that operate in temperatures that require certain fuel additives to keep it from freezing? (gets cold over in Russia )

[aeropilot]

ZeroGroundZero said:

I present the Russian Backfire:
https://youtu.be/9Ewx7SystJw?t=359

Low light conditions and great angle to view the exhaust.
Its like something from Star Wars.

Nice close up of the reheat working, but not much in the way of a dramatic take-off.....

So, my vote still goes to this twilight reheat take off and spiral climb by the B-1B Lancer at Oshkosh in 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kci3xCPkRMg

[FourWheelDrift]

You want something dramatic. Pilot: "Hold my beer" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHOvoO-6nWQ

Ps. RATO

[Zad]

Needs more style.
Oh and more engines...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7mt6AKKhq4



(Couldn't find a good photo of the XB-70 at night that wasn't a fake render)

[poing]

I grew up watching (and being deafened by) these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKDbQ4FfgGU

The Lightning still stands out for me despite growing up with all the other stuff including living on a couple of US bases and watching the F15 pilots show off.

The F15 was always a close second though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_UJR3m-PcM

[RichGault]

Cottesmore 2000. Standing between the taxi way and runway on departures day.

Backfire was teeth shakingly loud!!!!

[ceesvdelst]

I used to live near Waddington. Obviously Vulcans, Phantoms etc from nearby, and the odd Lightning.

I recall one evening, it was dark and I heard a racket, could see the hill from my house, but not the airfield, we were below.

Saw two lights dashing away and up, one on top of each other, one slightly longer than the other.

Clearly a Lightning doing a vert!

Also a Blackbird doing a single burner pass at Mildo one year.

Would love to have seen a Tu22, annoyed I didn't. But being fairly near a Bone when it either takes off or passes on full burner is impressive, more from the distance when you see the pilot light up the engines and that stream of yellow smoke comes out the back.

I too am intrigued by the blue burn on some Russian jets, the Tu160 doesn't do it, nor the 25, 31 or 29. Flanker maybe at times, but not Western jets seem to do it at all?

Weird.

[ZeroGroundZero]

aeropilot said:

So, my vote still goes to this twilight reheat take off and spiral climb by the B-1B Lancer at Oshkosh in 2018

Nice. Fires up the burner and just keeps it going.

[ZeroGroundZero]

FourWheelDrift said:

You want something dramatic. Pilot: "Hold my beer" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHOvoO-6nWQ

Ps. RATO

I bet that is a bit like driving an old 90's big single turbo car..... modest acceleration as you gather some initial speed, gain some revs and some exhaust flow, ...and then turbo time, big kick up the ar$e and off we go !


I'm guessing this is the solution to the "khe sanh" landing technique but for take off?

I notice the new A400 M Atlas seems to be powerful enough to be able to do such a high angle take off without rocket (or other) assist.
https://youtu.be/Qt8dXI0cCJk?t=20

[Eric Mc]

ZeroGroundZero said:

FourWheelDrift said:

You want something dramatic. Pilot: "Hold my beer" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHOvoO-6nWQ

Ps. RATO

I bet that is a bit like driving an old 90's big single turbo car..... modest acceleration as you gather some initial speed, gain some revs and some exhaust flow, ...and then turbo time, big kick up the ar$e and off we go !


I'm guessing this is the solution to the "khe sanh" landing technique but for take off?

I notice the new A400 M Atlas seems to be powerful enough to be able to do such a high angle take off without rocket (or other) assist.
https://youtu.be/Qt8dXI0cCJk?t=20

Sort of. JATO (or more accurately "RATO") was a technique developed to allow aircraft to get out of very tight spaces or very short runways. It also helped if the aircraft was heavilly laden.

Early jet engines did not develop a huge amount of thrust and take off performance was sometimes a bit marginal. So, JATO was also used to help get such aircraft into the air. A classic example is the B-47, which could be a bit tricky on take off -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qafxr8AfwKM

[aeropilot]

Eric Mc said:

ZeroGroundZero said:

FourWheelDrift said:

You want something dramatic. Pilot: "Hold my beer" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHOvoO-6nWQ

Ps. RATO

I bet that is a bit like driving an old 90's big single turbo car..... modest acceleration as you gather some initial speed, gain some revs and some exhaust flow, ...and then turbo time, big kick up the ar$e and off we go !


I'm guessing this is the solution to the "khe sanh" landing technique but for take off?

I notice the new A400 M Atlas seems to be powerful enough to be able to do such a high angle take off without rocket (or other) assist.
https://youtu.be/Qt8dXI0cCJk?t=20

Sort of. JATO (or more accurately "RATO") was a technique developed to allow aircraft to get out of very tight spaces or very short runways. It also helped if the aircraft was heavilly laden.

Other than the BA's demo team Herc, its probably most often used in real situations, by the LC-130 Skibird Herc's that operate in and out of the polar regions, where the RATO is needed to overcome the resistance of the snow covered landing strips on take-off.

[Eric Mc]

I don't think that JATO was ever envisaged as a means of getting out of airstrips that were surrounded by enemies with anti-aircraft missiles and guns.

The Khe Sanh approach tactic was devised during the Battle for Khe Sanh which was in 1968.

JATO/RATO was devised in the 1940s for the reasons I mentioned above, i.e. to improve take-off performance for heavilly laden aircraft, to allow aircraft to operate out of short strips and to provide a useful take-off boost to early generation jet aircraft.

[Tony1963]

One of the best reheat take-offs I ever saw was while working on Tornado F3 at Dhahran for BAe/RSAF in the 90s. One of the aircraft in a wave for an exercise had an issue at the end-of-runway checks, and was delayed by about 20 minutes. He finally got the all clear, so as he taxied to line up for take-off, we drove off in the HiAce minibus, parallel to the runway. He really needed to catch up with the other aircraft.

Now we were all very much used to F3, GR1 and F15E take-offs, as it was a very busy airbase, but jeepers, the sound that came off those 199s that day was incredible. Yep, his throttles were pushed all the way through reheat and into ‘Combat’. Up he went, almost vertically, and our HiAce vibrating like Katie Price’s favourite toy.

The engine guy on board just sat there, shaking his head: double engine change when it returns.