Ukraine 737 crash in Iran, 176 dead.

[eldar]

Iran plane crash: Ukraine International Airline jet crashes killing 176 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51029...

Could open the gates for tin foil sales, given the timing.

[Eric Mc]

Being covered in the USA v' Iran thread in the news section.

[eldar]

Eric Mc said:

Being covered in the USA v' Iran thread in the news section.

It is confirmed that this is related to the potential US vs Iran situation rather than a plane related issue?

[Stupeo]

Tragic news - the pictures on https://www.avherald.com/h?article=4d1aea51&op... are very sobering too.

[Eric Mc]

eldar said:

Eric Mc said:

Being covered in the USA v' Iran thread in the news section.

It is confirmed that this is related to the potential US vs Iran situation rather than a plane related issue?

Not yet - but it looks terribly suspicious.

[eldar]

Eric Mc said:

Not yet - but it looks terribly suspicious.

It does, just a bit! Thanks.

[bristolracer]

63 Canadians on board
Whats that about? Holiday makers? Contractors? People just getting the hell out in case of war?

[theboss]

bristolracer said:

63 Canadians on board
Whats that about? Holiday makers? Contractors? People just getting the hell out in case of war?

Dual Iranian/Canadian citizens most likely 'getting out' and going for a connecting flight - I read this airline provided low cost connections to Toronto.

Incredibly suspicious. Let's see if Iran deems any international investigative authority 'impartial' enough to be handed the evidence. I doubt it very much. They have already said Boeing won't be getting their hands on the flight recorders.

[FourWheelDrift]

bristolracer said:

63 Canadians on board
Whats that about? Holiday makers? Contractors? People just getting the hell out in case of war?

There's a big Iranian community in Toronto - https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/protesters-... so Iran wouldn't be to upset with those going down on the plane.

[anonymous-user]

Strange exit-wound damage on show.
If it was a turbine failure I’d expect it to be well contained or totally catastrophic.
Odd.

[take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey]

Turbine disc disintegration is very unpredictable. RR had a spate of failures a while back and some were catestrophic, others more similar to that photo.

E. G. https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/photos/image-gal...

And any errant blade parts tend to knacker hydraulic systems... Aussie Flight 32 is a good read for how bad it can get / and resilient some crews are.

[Simpo Two]

Even if both engines packed up it would glide down.

Much as I normally prefer the 'shut up until the proof comes in' approach, given the normal climb, catastrophic descent and seemingly no calls, I do smell a bandit up to no good with a SAM.

[Steve_D]

That report from the Herald has a video showing it on fire before going down.
As said seems strange the crew did not report anything.

My father had a bird strike that took out an engine. He said there is plenty to do but still time to simply radio 'Bird strike'. No need for anything else at that time so if the worst happened at least some clue was on record.

Steve

[anonymous-user]

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:

Turbine disc disintegration is very unpredictable.

er, blade shedding is unpredictable, disc disintegration is very predictable, as basically, it CANNOT be contained! (too much energy)

FoD or parts of the upstream engine that have come loose could very well get punched through the turbine stator if they get jammed between turbine and stator etc

[scottydoesntknow]

@BabakTaghvaee

BREAKING: This image which is now being circulated in #Iranian social media is claimed to be showing seeker of a 9M331 missiles launched by an #IRGC|ASF's To-M1 SAM system at Flight #PS752 of #Ukraine Intl Airlines resulting explosion of Boeing 737-8KV (UR-PSR) today in #Iran.

[Mave]

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:

Turbine disc disintegration is very unpredictable. RR had a spate of failures a while back and some were catestrophic, others more similar to that photo.

E. G. https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/photos/image-gal...

And any errant blade parts tend to knacker hydraulic systems... Aussie Flight 32 is a good read for how bad it can get / and resilient some crews are.

Flight 32 wasn't a blade failure, it was a disc failure. There is no way a disc failure would look like that photo of that CFM.

[Eric Mc]

scottydoesntknow said:

@BabakTaghvaee

BREAKING: This image which is now being circulated in #Iranian social media is claimed to be showing seeker of a 9M331 missiles launched by an #IRGC|ASF's To-M1 SAM system at Flight #PS752 of #Ukraine Intl Airlines resulting explosion of Boeing 737-8KV (UR-PSR) today in #Iran.

You might need to translate that. I assume that is a seeker head from an anti-aircraft missile?

[Mave]

Eric Mc said:

scottydoesntknow said:

@BabakTaghvaee

BREAKING: This image which is now being circulated in #Iranian social media is claimed to be showing seeker of a 9M331 missiles launched by an #IRGC|ASF's To-M1 SAM system at Flight #PS752 of #Ukraine Intl Airlines resulting explosion of Boeing 737-8KV (UR-PSR) today in #Iran.

You might need to translate that. I assume that is a seeker head from an anti-aircraft missile?

9M331 is a surface - air missile. Tor-M1 is the launcher (Also known as SA-15)

[scottydoesntknow]

Eric Mc said:

You might need to translate that. I assume that is a seeker head from an anti-aircraft missile?

Apparently the front end of an anti-aircraft missile (the bit that contains the radar). Found approximately 1km from the crash site.

Edited by scottydoesntknow on Wednesday 8th January 23:07

[Eric Mc]

Was in the process of looking it up


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_missile_system

I think it's a slam dunk now that it was brought down by a ground to air missile.