Phantom vs Jaguar
Discussion
I've been watching a lot of videos from this guy's channel, they are "bite sized" lengths of history with plenty of information thrown in.
One I watched recently raised an eyebrow of slight comedy to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14gUVN-jXuY
One I watched recently raised an eyebrow of slight comedy to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14gUVN-jXuY
k, is there any way I can pretend it wasn’t me?Most use Sqn nicknames which, depending on whether used by they're aircrew or groundcrew, could wither be a nice one, a boring one or a funny one.
56 Sqn becomes Shifty Fix Sqn.
31 Sqn becomes "The Brown Stars" due to the Gold Star image on their tails.
617 Sqn became Six Foot.
28 Sqn was called Freaks and Geeks
etc etc
Even the "Groundcrew Only" squadrons got involved so for example the AWACS groundcrew used to be called SLF for Sentry Line Flight, which changed to Sunshine and Laughter Flight because we travelled the world for 2-3 months every year. Then it became SMS for Sentry Maintenance Sqn which we changed to Serious Morale Shortage post 9/11 when we were spending upto 6 months in various deserts every year AND still covering the normal 2-3 months of "round the world" deployments too, so no-one saw home much, divorces raised dramatically and people quit the Sqn left, right and centre etc.
56 Sqn becomes Shifty Fix Sqn.
31 Sqn becomes "The Brown Stars" due to the Gold Star image on their tails.
617 Sqn became Six Foot.
28 Sqn was called Freaks and Geeks
etc etc
Even the "Groundcrew Only" squadrons got involved so for example the AWACS groundcrew used to be called SLF for Sentry Line Flight, which changed to Sunshine and Laughter Flight because we travelled the world for 2-3 months every year. Then it became SMS for Sentry Maintenance Sqn which we changed to Serious Morale Shortage post 9/11 when we were spending upto 6 months in various deserts every year AND still covering the normal 2-3 months of "round the world" deployments too, so no-one saw home much, divorces raised dramatically and people quit the Sqn left, right and centre etc.
Tony1963 said:
At the beginning of its life, the Tornado was a clean shape and light.
I’ve been told that the GR4s when operating from Khamis in the high mountains of western Saudi needed reheat at times while in circuit to LAND!
True enough, they had to come in swept as well. The Jags just would have crashed.I’ve been told that the GR4s when operating from Khamis in the high mountains of western Saudi needed reheat at times while in circuit to LAND!
GOATever said:
Tony1963 said:
At the beginning of its life, the Tornado was a clean shape and light.
I’ve been told that the GR4s when operating from Khamis in the high mountains of western Saudi needed reheat at times while in circuit to LAND!
True enough, they had to come in swept as well. The Jags just would have crashed.I’ve been told that the GR4s when operating from Khamis in the high mountains of western Saudi needed reheat at times while in circuit to LAND!
The Tonka F.3 supposedly often needed to use reheat at high level when prodding tankers.
Tony1963 said:
At the beginning of its life, the Tornado was a clean shape and light.
I always felt it was too big to be a fighter and too small to be a bomber. Voila, the MRCA.I've always liked Jaguars. Just the shape I think. And the weapon of choice for 'Squadron' on the TV when you could do things without being howled at by
liberals and 'activists'.
Simpo Two said:
I always felt it was too big to be a fighter and too small to be a bomber. Voila, the MRCA.
I've always liked Jaguars. Just the shape I think. And the weapon of choice for 'Squadron' on the TV when you could do things without being howled at by
liberals and 'activists'.
Well, smaller than a V Bomber, but more effective. And excellent in F3 format as a loitering missile platform. I've always liked Jaguars. Just the shape I think. And the weapon of choice for 'Squadron' on the TV when you could do things without being howled at by
liberals and 'activists'.
IanH755 said:
Most use Sqn nicknames which, depending on whether used by they're aircrew or groundcrew, could wither be a nice one, a boring one or a funny one.
56 Sqn becomes Shifty Fix Sqn.
31 Sqn becomes "The Brown Stars" due to the Gold Star image on their tails.
617 Sqn became Six Foot.
28 Sqn was called Freaks and Geeks
etc etc
Even the "Groundcrew Only" squadrons got involved so for example the AWACS groundcrew used to be called SLF for Sentry Line Flight, which changed to Sunshine and Laughter Flight because we travelled the world for 2-3 months every year. Then it became SMS for Sentry Maintenance Sqn which we changed to Serious Morale Shortage post 9/11 when we were spending upto 6 months in various deserts every year AND still covering the normal 2-3 months of "round the world" deployments too, so no-one saw home much, divorces raised dramatically and people quit the Sqn left, right and centre etc.
I was always surprised by how much mickey taking 'the management' let us get away with when it came to names.56 Sqn becomes Shifty Fix Sqn.
31 Sqn becomes "The Brown Stars" due to the Gold Star image on their tails.
617 Sqn became Six Foot.
28 Sqn was called Freaks and Geeks
etc etc
Even the "Groundcrew Only" squadrons got involved so for example the AWACS groundcrew used to be called SLF for Sentry Line Flight, which changed to Sunshine and Laughter Flight because we travelled the world for 2-3 months every year. Then it became SMS for Sentry Maintenance Sqn which we changed to Serious Morale Shortage post 9/11 when we were spending upto 6 months in various deserts every year AND still covering the normal 2-3 months of "round the world" deployments too, so no-one saw home much, divorces raised dramatically and people quit the Sqn left, right and centre etc.
I was on the Tornado Weapons Conversion Unit (TWCU pronounced Twickyou), We seemed to be the choice unit for giving VIP's jolleys when it came to Tornados, usually the last sortie on a Friday afternoon.. This involved washing the aircraft the Thursday night before, and white overall and light blue shirt and tie on the day.
Getting thoroughly sick of washing aircraft we ended up getting badges made saying TWCU, Tornado Washing and Cleaning Unit. There were quite a few raised eye brows, but nothing was said.
Something I didn’t know until very recently was that the Tonka that was being flown by John Peters and backseated by John Nicol, delivering JP233s to Ar Ruma, was ( so I’m reliably informed ) actually brought down by an American missile. The I.D. transponder was shot off, by small arms fire, and the ‘unidentifiable’ aircraft was taken down in a blue on blue. I don’t know if that’s actually what happened, but that’s what I’ve been told. It is contrary to everything that was ‘officially’ said though.
aeropilot said:
The Tonka F.3 supposedly often needed to use reheat at high level when prodding tankers.
Not so much in the F3, but routine in GR4... single burner on every plug, double blower verboten (but I’ve road-tested it). Plugging from a KC135 Boom-Drogue Adaptor (BDA) on the cusp of night at 28k over Afghanistan in double blower was necessary but character-building!GOATever said:
Something I didn’t know until very recently was that the Tonka that was being flown by John Peters and backseated by John Nicol, delivering JP233s to Ar Ruma, was ( so I’m reliably informed ) actually brought down by an American missile. The I.D. transponder was shot off, by small arms fire, and the ‘unidentifiable’ aircraft was taken down in a blue on blue. I don’t know if that’s actually what happened, but that’s what I’ve been told. It is contrary to everything that was ‘officially’ said though.
I think you’re getting the JP/JN incident confused with the Patriot/GR4 ‘blue on blue’ from Iraq in 2003.Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff