Snowbird crash in British Columbia.....

[Turn7]

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-canada-crash/can...


Hope the pilot made it ok.....

[hidetheelephants]

The pilot seems to have made it to hospital with undisclosed injuries but the display team's PR officer has been killed? Are passengers a thing in display flying?

[normalbloke]

hidetheelephants said:

The pilot seems to have made it to hospital with undisclosed injuries but the display team's PR officer has been killed? Are passengers a thing in display flying?

It was a positioning flight apparently.

[Eric Mc]

normalbloke said:

hidetheelephants said:

The pilot seems to have made it to hospital with undisclosed injuries but the display team's PR officer has been killed? Are passengers a thing in display flying?

It was a positioning flight apparently.

Passengers are often flown by display teams - usually assisting staff such as the team commentator and pretty much the norm on positioning flights.

[Eric Mc]

Video footage -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10Og_7sqU7s

[red_slr]

Looks mechanical, straight after take off departed the formation and started a slow climbing left turn perhaps stalled after engine failure or maybe control issue. (as a non expert)

They are such old aircraft, I appreciate they will be maintained but I don't fancy my chances of an upset attitude forced ejection in one of those at low altitude.

Could not see any chutes on the videos on line either despite the ejection

[Eric Mc]

You can hear a distinct "pop" just as the aircraft passes the camera. It sounds like an engine failure.

[normalbloke]

red_slr said:

Looks mechanical, straight after take off departed the formation and started a slow climbing left turn perhaps stalled after engine failure or maybe control issue. (as a non expert)

They are such old aircraft, I appreciate they will be maintained but I don't fancy my chances of an upset attitude forced ejection in one of those at low altitude.

Could not see any chutes on the videos on line either despite the ejection

My money is on engine failure at low level, traded his remaining energy for an altitude where the seats stood a chance of saving them, then stalled.

[eharding]

red_slr said:

Looks mechanical, straight after take off departed the formation and started a slow climbing left turn perhaps stalled after engine failure or maybe control issue. (as a non expert)

They are such old aircraft, I appreciate they will be maintained but I don't fancy my chances of an upset attitude forced ejection in one of those at low altitude.

Could not see any chutes on the videos on line either despite the ejection

In the video linked by Eric there is some footage of the aircraft climbing away on departure, and there is an audible thump from the accident aircraft immediately before it breaks formation, indicating some form of engine problem.

Very sad - the Tutors are now getting very, very long in the tooth - I saw the Snowbirds display at Oshkosh in 2016 and during the display they had one aircraft break off with a technical issue, so they held the whole formation off from the display while the pilot of the unserviceable aircraft landed, got into the reserve aircraft which was being held at full readiness, took off, rejoined the formation and carried on with the display - an impressive demonstration of teamwork from the ground crew as well as the display pilots, but indicative that poor serviceability was something they had come to expect as a regular occurrence.

[peterperkins]

I wonder if she was the one who ejected a nanosecond later and that was the fatal difference?

Presumably the pilot made the eject call and sadly the passengers reaction time was enough at such low altitude to change the outcome

[Caruso]

Looks like one of them came down on a roof, or at least the parachute did.

[Krikkit]

peterperkins said:

I wonder if she was the one who ejected a nanosecond later and that was the fatal difference?

Presumably the pilot made the eject call and sadly the passengers reaction time was enough at such low altitude to change the outcome

I would've thought the ejection of one side would always trigger the other, no?

Very sad anyway, as noted it sounds like engine failure as it passes over the camera, just no other choices.

[anonymous-user]

Krikkit said:

I would've thought the ejection of one side would always trigger the other, no?

I assume ejections are sequenced with a small time delay to prevent collisons between the two systems?

[Krikkit]

Max_Torque said:

Krikkit said:

I would've thought the ejection of one side would always trigger the other, no?

I assume ejections are sequenced with a small time delay to prevent collisons between the two systems?

Yes they are, or at least the ones in jets with front-rear that I've heard about, and anyone pulling the handle triggers the system in a fixed sequence. Quite often with front rear it's canopy -> rear -> front (to ensure the guy in the back doesn't get a face full of rocket exhaust)

[Simpo Two]

Krikkit said:

Max_Torque said:

Krikkit said:

I would've thought the ejection of one side would always trigger the other, no?

I assume ejections are sequenced with a small time delay to prevent collisons between the two systems?

Yes they are, or at least the ones in jets with front-rear that I've heard about, and anyone pulling the handle triggers the system in a fixed sequence. Quite often with front rear it's canopy -> rear -> front (to ensure the guy in the back doesn't get a face full of rocket exhaust)

Do I recall ejection seats that fire at the same time but leave at different angles?

Main problem with the occupants in the video is not checking out sooner.

[fttm]

The Snowbirds were on a cross country tour to brighten peoples spirits , they came over our valley on Thursday and put on a great display .Youngest son is a radar and comms tech at their base at 15 Wing Moose Jaw , they're coming back home today . Sad times

[RDMcG]

One dead, one injured.

[hidetheelephants]

Those Tutors are really old, shades of the Reds and their ancient Hawks.

[anonymous-user]

Simpo Two said:

Krikkit said:

Max_Torque said:

Krikkit said:

I would've thought the ejection of one side would always trigger the other, no?

I assume ejections are sequenced with a small time delay to prevent collisons between the two systems?

Yes they are, or at least the ones in jets with front-rear that I've heard about, and anyone pulling the handle triggers the system in a fixed sequence. Quite often with front rear it's canopy -> rear -> front (to ensure the guy in the back doesn't get a face full of rocket exhaust)

Do I recall ejection seats that fire at the same time but leave at different angles?

Main problem with the occupants in the video is not checking out sooner.

indeed, wonder if the pilot was looking for a suitable direction in which to send the plane before they left. then the stall kinda put paid to that plan.... ;-(

[Dr Jekyll]

hidetheelephants said:

Those Tutors are really old, shades of the Reds and their ancient Hawks.

The Tutor is considerably older, replaced as a trainer by Hawks 20 years ago.