737-500 down in Indonesia

[red_slr]

Another 737 down, this time a much older aircraft.

Reports of 55 POB plus 4 crew.

Made it to 11,000ft and then straight down.

Only in the air a few minutes after take off.

[Speed 3]

13 year olds on the online news desk at the BBC again.....better get that jetway off the damn runway

[heisthegaffer]

Always sad news. Must be terrifying for all. On board and people seeing it happen.

[red_slr]

I wonder if its been stored for a long time?

[Smiljan]

red_slr said:

I wonder if its been stored for a long time?

I had a look on Flight Radar and it’s been operating a lot through the last 3 months, can’t see any further back with my account level.

Reg PK-CLC

[CeramicMX5ND2]

Manufactured in 1994 and was previously operated by Continental Air Lines in the US.

[red_slr]

CeramicMX5ND2 said:

Manufactured in 1994 and was previously operated by Continental Air Lines in the US.

Not ancient but far from lightly used either.

[shopper150]

Is it just me, or do there seem to be quite a few missing planes in and around Indonesia?

[CeramicMX5ND2]

Don't think this one is missing any more. Some fishermen saw it crash apparently.. Is always a sad event when it happens..

[red_slr]

Apparently the airline was suspended for a short time in 2019 due to safety issues.

[roadsmash]

According to Flight Radar it falls nearly 11,000ft in less than a minute, during the middle of a climb, there was no delay, seems extremely fast. Explosive decompression maybe?

[Defcon5]

shopper150 said:

Is it just me, or do there seem to be quite a few missing planes in and around Indonesia?

I was just thinking the same. Different safety standards etc than Europe/US?

Although I also recall an Air France aircraft going down a few years ago

[hidetheelephants]

roadsmash said:

According to Flight Radar it falls nearly 11,000ft in less than a minute, during the middle of a climb, there was no delay, seems extremely fast. Explosive decompression maybe?

There's a big upset in the track shown by flight radar so something major happened; it veers to port and then violently to starboard.

[Eric Mc]

Speed 3 said:

13 year olds on the online news desk at the BBC again.....better get that jetway off the damn runway

It says Reuters in that picture.

[Speed 3]

Eric Mc said:

Speed 3 said:

13 year olds on the online news desk at the BBC again.....better get that jetway off the damn runway

It says Reuters in that picture.

It's on the BBC website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55601909

[Eric Mc]

They took it from Reuters. It's probably on dozens of websites all over the world right now.

Due to time pressure, news desks just take images as they find them. In the push to get news out onto their platforms, not an awful lot of time is spent tidying up any attached wording - unless it is dramatically misleading.

[MB140]

roadsmash said:

According to Flight Radar it falls nearly 11,000ft in less than a minute, during the middle of a climb, there was no delay, seems extremely fast. Explosive decompression maybe?

Bit more than that I would imagine. Plane should still fly after a rapid decompression. Explosion onboard?

Either they have stalled it out on the climb (very unlikely) buy it does happen, poorly handled loss of an engine maybe or loss of control system perhaps.

Either way it’s a sad loss. I hope they get to the bottom of it so we can learn from it.

Unfortunately a lot of these smaller Asian airlines seem to like crashing at a much higher rate than there western counterparts. Some I am sure due to the terrain and weather in the region but a lot seem to come back to poor training be that either maintenance or pilot.

[hidetheelephants]

MB140 said:

roadsmash said:

According to Flight Radar it falls nearly 11,000ft in less than a minute, during the middle of a climb, there was no delay, seems extremely fast. Explosive decompression maybe?

Bit more than that I would imagine. Plane should still fly after a rapid decompression. Explosion onboard?

Either they have stalled it out on the climb (very unlikely) buy it does happen, poorly handled loss of an engine maybe or loss of control system perhaps.

Either way it’s a sad loss. I hope they get to the bottom of it so we can learn from it.

Unfortunately a lot of these smaller Asian airlines seem to like crashing at a much higher rate than there western counterparts. Some I am sure due to the terrain and weather in the region but a lot seem to come back to poor training be that either maintenance or pilot.

11,000' in 20 seconds(assuming ADS-B is accurate, a shaky thing to assume) is a bit more than a stall, that's plummeting into the sea at 300mph+.

[48k]

The rate of descent being so high and the debris field being so small suggests the aircraft was reasonably intact when it went down.

[Eric Mc]

Rudder hard over?

About 30 years ago, there was a spate of 737 crashes where the rudder went fully to one side, sending the aircraft into a spin and dive. The true cause for these incidents has never been fully found.