Aircraft Registration Prefixes
Aircraft Registration Prefixes
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Trevatanus

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11,349 posts

173 months

Tuesday 11th May 2021
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I realise there is a certain logic to the prefix letters of aircraft registrations, Uk being G- for Great Britain, F for France etc, and the fact C is Canada, so could not be allocated to China, but is there any logic to their allocation / choice of "B"?

Eric Mc

124,811 posts

288 months

Tuesday 11th May 2021
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Some of the prefixes go back to the 1920s so may have meant more sense then.
Holland used to be "H" - but was changed to "PH".
Back then too, many European countries had far flung colonies, so the international registrations sometimes reflected colonial status.

The UK wasn't just a simple "G". Initially it was "G-E..." for heavier than air and "G-F..." for lighter than air, Canada was "G-C..." and Australia was "G-AU..".

These were later changed when Australia and Canada got their own letters allocated, VH for Australia and CF for Canada. Canada only switched to C in the 1970s.

silverfoxcc

8,120 posts

168 months

Tuesday 11th May 2021
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ERic

Back in the 60s when i started visiting Heathrow the Ian Allan ABC civil aircraft markings had a list of most countries reg
If i can find it will do pa pic and put it up Interestingly IIRC most of the East African countries were all in the VP-xxx range

Eric Mc

124,811 posts

288 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Yes - many former British colonies had a V type prefix. That's why Australia is VH. The Bahamas was VP - because I remember logging two rather battered and tired Boeing 707s at Dublin AIrport in 1974, VP-BDG and VP-BDF.



Despite what it says on the roof, this aircraft was owned by an airline called Bahamas World.
A couple of years later, the Bahamas were given a new prefix of C6.


Hong Kong was VR.

India is still VT.

hammo19

7,128 posts

219 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Well didn’t know that thanks Eric

Ayahuasca

27,560 posts

302 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Eric Mc said:
Yes - many former British colonies had a V type prefix. That's why Australia is VH. The Bahamas was VP - because I remember logging two rather battered and tired Boeing 707s at Dublin AIrport in 1974, VP-BDG and VP-BDF.



Despite what it says on the roof, this aircraft was owned by an airline called Bahamas World.
A couple of years later, the Bahamas were given a new prefix of C6.




Hong Kong was VR.

India is still VT.
This one is unusual in that it is fitted with the additional fin under the tail, added when it was discovered that 707s fitted with British Conway engines were unsafe.

Eric Mc

124,811 posts

288 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Different Boeing 707s had different types of ventral fins. Indeed, most had none at all.

It was realised very early on in the 707's service life that it was longitudinally unstable. The first solution was to extend the height of the tailfin. When BOAC ordered a Rolls Royce powered version of the 707, the old UK Air Registration Board (ARB - now the CAA) insisted that fin area be increased before the 707 could be given a UK operating licence. The solution was the large ventral fin which was then offered for other versions of the 707, especially short fuselage variants. There was also a smaller ventral fin option -



Later 707s dispensed with the ventral fin completely.



VP-BDF was fitted with Pratt and Whitney JT3 turbojets.

LP12

257 posts

59 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Eric Mc said:
It was realised very early on in the 707's service life that it was longitudinally unstable.
I think you will find that increased fin area is to do with Directional Stability and, in the case of swept wing jets, Lateral Stability owing to Yaw/Roll coupling.

Eric Mc

124,811 posts

288 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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That's what I MEANT to say. They had a problem with Dutch Roll and yawing. The gradual increase in fin area was to try and cure that.

fatboy b

9,662 posts

239 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Lockdown is over soon and you’ll be all able to get out more often. hehe

Eric Mc

124,811 posts

288 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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What, and spend LESS time on PH?

Noooooooo!

Smoggy XJR

552 posts

93 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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I remember, possibly wrongly, that when I went out plane spotting with my mate in the mid 70's all GB civil planes were G-A.

Am I going senile?

Eric Mc

124,811 posts

288 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Up until 1972, the U.K. registry was still issuing registrations in the G-A... block. In 1972 they finally got to G-AZZZ ( which I think was a hot air balloon). The first of the G-B... block was G-BAAA which was a Lockheed Tristar of Court Line.

These days they are working through the G-C... sequence.

However, since the mid 1970s, the CAA has allowed personalised registrations so that has slowed the expansion of the in-sequence range. The only restrictions on out of sequence registrations is that the registration has to fit into the G-.... style and not be a repeat of a registration issued previously - and not be rude or offensive.

Smoggy XJR

552 posts

93 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Ah ha. Not going senile.

Thanks Eric.

CeramicMX5ND2

9,082 posts

96 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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What I find hard to understand about the British prefix G-.... is that the four following letters can only be applied to one airframe - even if the airframe is lost, written off or permanently withdrawn from use, the registration cannot be reused on another airframe. Whereas is Germany D-.... and N.... North America amongst other prefixes are transferable to other airframes..

Smoggy XJR

552 posts

93 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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Sorry Eric, l missed your reference to Court Line. At the time I was living with my parents about a mile from the flight path of Luton airport. Those pastel coloured planes were something else after the old Monarch Britannias.

Eric Mc

124,811 posts

288 months

Wednesday 12th May 2021
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They were a bit psychedelic.

G-BAAA



G-AXMG


Smoggy XJR

552 posts

93 months

Thursday 13th May 2021
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I don't remember the yellow and red.

This, I remember:


Cold

16,420 posts

113 months

Thursday 13th May 2021
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biggrin

Eric Mc

124,811 posts

288 months

Thursday 13th May 2021
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Smoggy XJR said:
I don't remember the yellow and red.

This, I remember:

That was their second Tristar - G-BAAB. Sadly, neither stayed on the UK registry very long because just over a year after they were delivered, Court Line went out of business.