M25 closed by a Typhoon.
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Trevatanus

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173 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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Well not strictly true, and I am pretty sure the M25 would not be an option, but whereever it / they land would be a sight to behold!
Typhoons based at Farnborough for a few days might be cool too.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/raf-dispersing-and...

Riley Blue

22,936 posts

249 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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Surely all an enemy would need to do would be to search for a resurfaced straight, flat, length of motorway and add it to their target list.

ndtman

752 posts

204 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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Riley Blue said:
Surely all an enemy would need to do would be to search for a resurfaced straight, flat, length of motorway and add it to their target list.
No need for them to search as it would be all over Instagram, YouTube etc. smile

ApexCult

4,922 posts

176 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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It's quite an effort supporting a Typhoon detachment even from places like Cyprus nevermind some random motorway!

Psycho Warren

3,087 posts

136 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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The practicality of bombing every flat bit of road in itself is pretty much impossible. That is why dispersion plans are a good idea.

Often the road stretch is only used for a short period, literally the time taken to shut the road, get the pre-positioned refuelling rearming vehicles and crew into place, then land, refuel, rearm, take off and clear the site to move to another one.

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I agree. loved them.

You could bomb all the road network and as long as you've got drop tanks to make up for the used fuel, do a vertical or very short run take off from a field.

Tony1963

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185 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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Imagine the carnage if they had F-35s taking off and landing from roads! Bye bye tarmac etc.

Tony1963

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185 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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And there was always this publicity stunt of course:

https://youtu.be/kAVDOBWtBuU

eharding

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307 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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ApexCult said:
It's quite an effort supporting a Typhoon detachment even from places like Cyprus nevermind some random motorway!
Ironically, Cyprus is one place already geared up to try it - this is a section of the A5 motorway:



Those square concrete pads would make fine operational readiness platforms, and what look like runway piano key markings are in fact.....runway piano key markings. There is a matching set about 2300m further west down the motorway.

aeropilot

39,732 posts

250 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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ApexCult said:
It's quite an effort supporting a Typhoon detachment even from places like Cyprus nevermind some random motorway!
Indeed.

You only have to look at the pre-planning and expenditure required back in 2011/2 for the 4 ship Typhoon detachment to RAF Northolt leading up to, and then again during the London Olympics to know that Wigton is talking out of his arse (as seems to be the case with most stuff he says these days!)
And Northolt is an active RAF base, so you'd have even more issue depoying to the likes of Farnborough, Teeside, Southend etc.etc.

It would be nice though to have a bit of loud fast jet activity around the south-east though once in a while biggrin

As for Typhoon operating of motorways, that's just laughable.
The Jag test killed off that idea nearly 50 years ago, and that was when there was waaaaay less 'highways furniture' infesting the motorway network than there is today.




MattyD803

2,277 posts

88 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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Does the OP work in online advertising like those try to get people to discover new ear wax removal systems or desk top air conditioning boxes?

hidetheelephants

33,838 posts

216 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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This stretch of the M8 is actually on the alignment of the old Renfrew Airport runway; downsides are it's only 1500m long and glasgow corporation inconsiderately built a pair of 16 story tower blocks at the western end. hehe

ApexCult

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176 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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hidetheelephants said:
This stretch of the M8 is actually on the alignment of the old Renfrew Airport runway; downsides are it's only 1500m long and glasgow corporation inconsiderately built a pair of 16 story tower blocks at the western end. hehe
Cemetery halfway down the 'runway' should it all go wrong at least!

Hill92

5,224 posts

213 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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aeropilot said:
ApexCult said:
It's quite an effort supporting a Typhoon detachment even from places like Cyprus nevermind some random motorway!
Indeed.

You only have to look at the pre-planning and expenditure required back in 2011/2 for the 4 ship Typhoon detachment to RAF Northolt leading up to, and then again during the London Olympics to know that Wigton is talking out of his arse (as seems to be the case with most stuff he says these days!)
And Northolt is an active RAF base, so you'd have even more issue depoying to the likes of Farnborough, Teeside, Southend etc.etc.

It would be nice though to have a bit of loud fast jet activity around the south-east though once in a while biggrin

As for Typhoon operating of motorways, that's just laughable.
The Jag test killed off that idea nearly 50 years ago, and that was when there was waaaaay less 'highways furniture' infesting the motorway network than there is today.
There was a recent proof of concept deployment to Norway: https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles/raf-typhoons-...

Trevatanus

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11,349 posts

173 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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aeropilot said:
ApexCult said:
It's quite an effort supporting a Typhoon detachment even from places like Cyprus nevermind some random motorway!
Indeed.

You only have to look at the pre-planning and expenditure required back in 2011/2 for the 4 ship Typhoon detachment to RAF Northolt leading up to, and then again during the London Olympics to know that Wigton is talking out of his arse (as seems to be the case with most stuff he says these days!)
And Northolt is an active RAF base, so you'd have even more issue depoying to the likes of Farnborough, Teeside, Southend etc.etc.

It would be nice though to have a bit of loud fast jet activity around the south-east though once in a while biggrin

As for Typhoon operating of motorways, that's just laughable.
The Jag test killed off that idea nearly 50 years ago, and that was when there was waaaaay less 'highways furniture' infesting the motorway network than there is today.
There's ways around the street furniture though. If they can make trees lay down like they did in Thunderbirds for T2 to take off, I am sure they can do the same with a street light.

aeropilot

39,732 posts

250 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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Hill92 said:
aeropilot said:
ApexCult said:
It's quite an effort supporting a Typhoon detachment even from places like Cyprus nevermind some random motorway!
Indeed.

You only have to look at the pre-planning and expenditure required back in 2011/2 for the 4 ship Typhoon detachment to RAF Northolt leading up to, and then again during the London Olympics to know that Wigton is talking out of his arse (as seems to be the case with most stuff he says these days!)
And Northolt is an active RAF base, so you'd have even more issue depoying to the likes of Farnborough, Teeside, Southend etc.etc.

It would be nice though to have a bit of loud fast jet activity around the south-east though once in a while biggrin

As for Typhoon operating of motorways, that's just laughable.
The Jag test killed off that idea nearly 50 years ago, and that was when there was waaaaay less 'highways furniture' infesting the motorway network than there is today.
There was a recent proof of concept deployment to Norway: https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles/raf-typhoons-...
Not the same thing. Fast deployment to existing NATO fast-jet bases is not the same as deploying to active or semi active airfields that do not operate them, or are not even military airfields at all!

Psycho Warren

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136 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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Trevatanus said:
There's ways around the street furniture though. If they can make trees lay down like they did in Thunderbirds for T2 to take off, I am sure they can do the same with a street light.
Just choose a 3 lane bit of road, preferably unlit like much of the motorway network is outside junctions and cities. The "smart" motorway network means that the old hard shoulder, now lane 1 is relatively clean of debris compared to a typical hard shoulder. Although I imagine they would run a street sweeper type thing up and down a couple of times to catch as much FOD as possible.

aeropilot

39,732 posts

250 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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Psycho Warren said:
Trevatanus said:
There's ways around the street furniture though. If they can make trees lay down like they did in Thunderbirds for T2 to take off, I am sure they can do the same with a street light.
Just choose a 3 lane bit of road, preferably unlit like much of the motorway network is outside junctions and cities. The "smart" motorway network means that the old hard shoulder, now lane 1 is relatively clean of debris compared to a typical hard shoulder.
The spacings of the full width overhead gantries for the Smart M-Way signals would likely preclude any use of any of the Smart M-Way network wink

Boatbuoy

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185 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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eharding said:
ApexCult said:
It's quite an effort supporting a Typhoon detachment even from places like Cyprus nevermind some random motorway!
Ironically, Cyprus is one place already geared up to try it - this is a section of the A5 motorway:



Those square concrete pads would make fine operational readiness platforms, and what look like runway piano key markings are in fact.....runway piano key markings. There is a matching set about 2300m further west down the motorway.
Catering already in place at the Eastern most pad too by the looks of it. Kebab & Medals anyone?



Dogwatch

6,366 posts

245 months

Thursday 22nd July 2021
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Tony1963 said:
Imagine the carnage if they had F-35s taking off and landing from roads! Bye bye tarmac etc.
Won’t somebody think of the potholes? Oh hang on, they’re the bits in between the missing tarmac!


halfpenny43

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259 months

Friday 23rd July 2021
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The Swedes were using highways for years.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing/how-sweden...