flights canceled due to 5G concerns
flights canceled due to 5G concerns
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Trustmeimadoctor

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14,300 posts

178 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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seems boeing think the 777 doesnt play nicely with 5g could end up with diehard 2 oops

so verizone and at&t and postponing rollouts of masts near major airports. so why hasnt it been in issue here or dont we have any 5g services near airports?

see the flat earth, anti vax, space laser community were right the 5g is hear to kill you wink

Mr Pointy

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182 months

Trustmeimadoctor

Original Poster:

14,300 posts

178 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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ya would have thought they erm tested it first and planned a little bit first

but no captain blunderbuss just goes yee ha and decided to roll it out without any thoughts about things biggrin

i mean it is a bit odd that the altimeters arnt slightly more shielded from unwanted frequency 's

Eric Mc

124,791 posts

288 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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I think I understand what you are trying to say (your use of the English language is rather unique, I have to say).

Aircraft like the 777 are almost 30 year old designs now and although many of the airframes in service today are newer models, much of the technology contained in them, including the electronics, would have been based on the world as it was around 1990, not 2021.

It's hard to anticipate where technology will be so far into the future.

Scrump

23,742 posts

181 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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I understand that the frequencies used for 5G in the UK are not the same frequencies as used in the US.
The US 5G frequencies are much closer to those used by aircraft.

(I am no expert in this so happy to be corrected if wrong)

Trustmeimadoctor

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14,300 posts

178 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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yes but you would have thought the fcc and faa would have thought these issues might occur since in europe they implemented mitigating practises to avoid potential issues

as you say the equipment altimeters have been in service for years so they should know already what frequency's they are not shielded against

Simpo Two

91,328 posts

288 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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Skip straight to 6G.

I'm not convinced anyone really needs 5G; can't they all stream Netflix to their phones already?

Trustmeimadoctor

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14,300 posts

178 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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but 6g is certainly technology of the reptilian overlords so they can control us it can make our heads explode like in running man if they think we are on to their sneaky alien plans to farm us for our oh i dunno i give up now wink


Trustmeimadoctor

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14,300 posts

178 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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im just hoping my flight doesnt get changed AGAIN as im sick of playing musical chairs with my booking

eharding

14,648 posts

307 months

Thursday 20th January 2022
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The same kind of thing happened in the UK about 20 years ago - extensions to the FM radio spectrum allocation crept up to the base of the aviation NAV band, meaning that in theory at least FM broadcasts could interfere with existing VOR receivers - hence it became a requirement for IFR in controlled airspace to have (expensive) "FM Immune" equipment fitted.

surveyor

18,602 posts

207 months

Friday 21st January 2022
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Uk 5G upper frequencies are between 3.4 and 3.6 MHz. In Europe up to 3.8, whereas US goes higher. As I understand it some of the older radar altimeters can be quite basic.

Some planes also use it for several systems. It's a problem if affected.

It's not simple to test. 5G base stations are clever and can power down or up depending on demand. What is safe now, might not be in 5 minutes. They can also point their beam within certain limits at where the demand is needed.

FCC and FAA = two heavyweights at loggerheads. Interesting times.

Hereward

4,927 posts

253 months

Saturday 22nd January 2022
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I live a few miles North of LGW and I can't even get 4G in my house.

eharding

14,648 posts

307 months

Saturday 22nd January 2022
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Hereward said:
I live a few miles North of LGW and I can't even get 4G in my house.
If you move close to an airport in the US and want 5G you'll also apparently have the chance of a G5 in the house as well.

uncinqsix

3,239 posts

233 months

Saturday 22nd January 2022
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surveyor said:
Uk 5G upper frequencies are between 3.4 and 3.6 MHz. In Europe up to 3.8, whereas US goes higher. As I understand it some of the older radar altimeters can be quite basic.

Some planes also use it for several systems. It's a problem if affected.
The problems are in the >3.7 GHz band apparently. It's not just older systems either: it can affect the 787's auto deceleration system.