Cargolux 747 scrapes engine on landing
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normalbloke said:
Pepperpots said:
So it lands, causes damage (to the engine) and the pilots first response is, 'let's go flying again!'
Duh.
Rejection may have been the only option at that point. I’m sure his/her decision making will have been more considered than yours.Duh.
u-boat said:
Sure but you said “duh” making out you thought they’d got it wrong to go around.
Questioning the logic might be more like you saying. “Why did they take off again? I don’t know much about it but why wouldn’t it be better to try and land and stop after scraping the engine like that”?
Yes I did, my mistake.Questioning the logic might be more like you saying. “Why did they take off again? I don’t know much about it but why wouldn’t it be better to try and land and stop after scraping the engine like that”?
u-boat said:
This is what the Boeing flight crew training manual says
“ If the airplane bounces during a landing attempt, hold or re-establish a normal landing attitude and add thrust as necessary to control the rate of descent. Thrust need not be added for a shallow bounce or skip. If a high, hard bounce occurs, initiate a go-around. Manually advance thrust levers to go-around thrust, and verify speedbrakes are retracted. Do not retract the flaps or landing gear until a positive rate of climb is established because a second touchdown may occur during the go-around. When safely airborne continue with the Go-Around and Missed Approach procedure as prescribed in the FCOM/QRH.”
That sounds scary “ If the airplane bounces during a landing attempt, hold or re-establish a normal landing attitude and add thrust as necessary to control the rate of descent. Thrust need not be added for a shallow bounce or skip. If a high, hard bounce occurs, initiate a go-around. Manually advance thrust levers to go-around thrust, and verify speedbrakes are retracted. Do not retract the flaps or landing gear until a positive rate of climb is established because a second touchdown may occur during the go-around. When safely airborne continue with the Go-Around and Missed Approach procedure as prescribed in the FCOM/QRH.”
u-boat said:
Actually looking at this picture you can see the spoilers have deployed (bits sticking up on top of the wing) so that would likely indicate the hard landing first and then the go around/rejected landing was initiated rather than a touchdown and bounce after a low go around.
In a lot of aircraft the spoilers deploy automatically based on number of conditions such as weight on wheels (indicating touch down), wheels rotating, thrust levers at idle, flaps deployed, etc. Watching the video they come up as it hits (literally) the ground and then retract as soon as it lifts off again. Probably a good thing as the pilots would have had their hands full, and given how unstable the aircraft was going around was definitely the right call.Stuff happens. I watched a B744 have the keel beam replaced after a heavy landing and bounce caused by windshear. It also blew the tyres on all 16 main wheels We have become so used to air travel that it seems routine, but you are still dealing with nature and powerful forces. People say pilots just sit there, they don't,
Rich Boy Spanner said:
Stuff happens. I watched a B744 have the keel beam replaced after a heavy landing and bounce caused by windshear. It also blew the tyres on all 16 main wheels We have become so used to air travel that it seems routine, but you are still dealing with nature and powerful forces. People say pilots just sit there, they don't,
They do most of the time 😃
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