DHL Cargo crash

[Otispunkmeyer]

Crashed on landing at Vilnius from Leipzig.

ATC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAUUteXo9rY

Main Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/flightradar24/comments/1g...

Video1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MHfeqvaBP0
Video2 : https://www.15min.lt/video/uzfiksuotas-lektuvo-kri...
Video3: https://streamable.com/ymjasu

Be interesting to see how this turns out. I think 1 pilot died, but at least 1 person (there were 4-5 on board I think) was able to walk out the other side.

In the video it just looks like it was doing a normal landing. But it was just well short! On one video it definitely looks like they realised too late and pulled back pretty hard.

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Monday 25th November 12:08

[Time4another]

Sky news reporting both pilots got out. One other fatality though.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Time4another said:

Sky news reporting both pilots got out. One other fatality though.

Yes seems that way now. Think the earlier reports were that it was a pilot, but seems like they're both survivors. I suppose once they're fit to talk, the story will come out pretty quickly.

Could have been a whole lot worse as these things go. It landed in pretty open land (as in no housing really). And only partially damaged one building. One person has died and a load of cargo has gone up in flames. But far from the mass loss of life these things usually are when its a passenger plane.

[Iamnotkloot]

DT are saying investigations will (obviously) look at possible incendiary device involvement as there’s been previous with DHL cargo.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/25/...

[Crumpet]

Iamnotkloot said:

DT are saying investigations will (obviously) look at possible incendiary device involvement as there’s been previous with DHL cargo.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/25/...

This was my first thought. Scary stuff has been happening recently with DHL. Then you’ve got the Russians pricking about jamming and spoofing GPS signals in this region (yes, this was being flown as an ILS so not affected).

Will be interesting to see the cause of it. Feels wrong to say it but I hope it’s simple pilot error rather than nefarious actions.

[Hugo Stiglitz v2]

Watching with interest

[FourWheelDrift]

Appears to be banked right over when going down - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLH1nO-HoSM

[Otispunkmeyer]

FourWheelDrift said:

Appears to be banked right over when going down - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLH1nO-HoSM

Yeah on that footage looks like it goes down on it's side at the last moment.

[LotusOmega375D]

How did anyone survive that?

[the-norseman]

LotusOmega375D said:

How did anyone survive that?

My thoughts as well.

[aeropilot]

the-norseman said:

LotusOmega375D said:

How did anyone survive that?

My thoughts as well.

Its remarkable that anyone did.

Of course how badly injured the survivors are is another matter. Info available does seem to indicate a botched approach, too high and too fast, and failed read back of frequency change to the tower, and at last minute the flight crew have seen they were too low, and pulled back on the yoke and stalled it into the ground.......survivor interviews, and CVR and FDR reviews will be interesting.
Shear luck that no one on the ground was killed given that photo of what appears to be one of the engines in some ones back yard!

[Penguinracer]

Anyone know if it was an RNAV or an ILS approach?

[M11rph]

Penguinracer said:

Anyone know if it was an RNAV or an ILS approach?

ILS (so it's not the Russian's degrading or ghosting the GPS data).

The crew don't sound very sharp from the ATC I heard.

Some fundamental stuff, Cleared Altitude and QNH readbacks incorrect. ATC gave them the wrong Tower Freq, and they read that back incorrectly too.
Basic items, but indicate a crew not working well, or distracted.

[Otispunkmeyer]

M11rph said:

Penguinracer said:

Anyone know if it was an RNAV or an ILS approach?

ILS (so it's not the Russian's degrading or ghosting the GPS data).

The crew don't sound very sharp from the ATC I heard.

Some fundamental stuff, Cleared Altitude and QNH readbacks incorrect. ATC gave them the wrong Tower Freq, and they read that back incorrectly too.
Basic items, but indicate a crew not working well, or distracted.

Watched the Blancolirio YT channel video on this and it does just look like they came in too hot and things have snowballed from there.

https://youtu.be/R1Z0IyFzs_U?si=5r9HOQmyguGM6pL1

[Eric Mc]

M11rph said:

ILS (so it's not the Russian's degrading or ghosting the GPS data).

The crew don't sound very sharp from the ATC I heard.

Some fundamental stuff, Cleared Altitude and QNH readbacks incorrect. ATC gave them the wrong Tower Freq, and they read that back incorrectly too.
Basic items, but indicate a crew not working well, or distracted.

Or very tired.

[eharding]

Blancolirio video discussing leading-edge slat actuator apparently in the retracted position in the wreckage of the DHL accident flight.

Having the leading edge slats retracted, and by implication the main flaps also, at this stage of flight is bad, whether commanded or not.

[griffdude]

eharding said:

Having the leading edge slats retracted, and by implication the main flaps also, at this stage of flight is bad, whether commanded or not.

You’re right. The GPWS warning should have been going off unless the flap inhibit had been selected off.

No mayday or pan though.

[nordboy]

How the hell did anyone get out of that alive?

[FourWheelDrift]

nordboy said:

How the hell did anyone get out of that alive?

I think they said the cockpit separated on impact and took it away from the fire.