India v Pakistan: any planes really shot down?

[LotusOmega375D]

I was in India last time this flared up a few years ago. It was clear that aircraft were shot down. In fact the pilot of an old IAF MiG 21 bis was captured by Pakistan and handed over a few days later in an elaborate border crossing transfer, watched live on TV by millions. However this time, I haven’t actually seen any real evidence of the shooting down claims and counter-claims. Anyone know more?

[Austin Prefect]

It seems at least one Indian Rafale has been shot down. What confuses things a bit is that no aircraft crossed the border and the Indian aircraft was/were shot down by long range air to air missiles.

[zsdom]

Doubt we’ll ever know, the Pakistanis can claim the scalp of the first Indian Rafale, they also claim their JF-17s shot down 2 aircraft but doubtful that India would confirm these

[LotusOmega375D]

All civil aviation keeping a wide berth of hostilities. Ex Delhi flights heading down to Mumbai before crossing Indian Ocean towards Europe. This is exactly what happened to my BA return flight last time this flared up,

[ferret50]

Be a lot safer if they stuck with cricket matches!

[Countdown]

Pakistan claimed 5 shot down, Reuters reporting 3 shot down.

[aeropilot]

LotusOmega375D said:

I was in India last time this flared up a few years ago. It was clear that aircraft were shot down. In fact the pilot of an old IAF MiG 21 bis was captured by Pakistan and handed over a few days later in an elaborate border crossing transfer, watched live on TV by millions. However this time, I haven’t actually seen any real evidence of the shooting down claims and counter-claims. Anyone know more?

Clear photo evidence exists of the downed IAF Rafale, its tail number clearly seen on the remains of the fin, showing it was the serial number of the first Rafale delivered to the IAF.

Photo evidence also exists of the remains of a downed IAF MiG-29, with a bang seat that hadn't been fired, which would indicate the pilot was lost.

3rd IAF aircraft loss is supposedly a Su-30, although I've not seen any photo evidence as yet of that one.

I have seen reports, that there is photo evidence around of a Martin-Baker bang seat found in a Pakistan field, with a serial number tying it to a PAF Mirage V.