Fairey Gannet
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Skyedriver

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21,969 posts

303 months

Wednesday 14th January
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Just reading the Winkle biography, without gtting into the ins and outs of the bloke, there's mention of a Fairey Gannet with twin engines and counter rotating propellers.
Just had a look at a photo, how the hell does that work? Must be a hell of a lot of gearing and therefore transmission losses.

C69

1,035 posts

33 months

Thursday 15th January
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The Double Mamba? I remember seeing one on display at Duxford. As I recall, there was a combined gearbox, but in flight one of the engines (and therefore one of the propellers) could be shut down to reduce fuel burn.

hidetheelephants

33,025 posts

214 months

Thursday 15th January
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Not that complicated, spur gears to lower RPM and the two shafts are completely separate.


Eric Mc

124,626 posts

286 months

Thursday 15th January
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There's a flying example for sale in the US at the moment. I think it's the last airworthy example.

WyrleyD

2,260 posts

169 months

Thursday 15th January
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Many years ago I saw one of these flying at the Culdrose Air Show along with Buccaneers when they were still in regular service, thinking about it there was also a Shackleton doing a fly past.

tog

4,856 posts

249 months

Thursday 15th January
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Eric Mc said:
There's a flying example for sale in the US at the moment. I think it's the last airworthy example.


There's some fairly confusing things going on with camera frame rate and prop speed as it starts up!

Hard-Drive

4,253 posts

250 months

Thursday 15th January
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tog said:
Eric Mc said:
There's a flying example for sale in the US at the moment. I think it's the last airworthy example.


There's some fairly confusing things going on with camera frame rate and prop speed as it starts up!
What's cool about that start up is they start the "forward" engine/propeller first (and just on the compressed air you see on the trolley, not a proper GPU) and then just use the propwash of the forward prop to spin up the aft prop and engine.

I do love a Gannet, such an unwieldy looking thing but also very purposeful. However in many ways it's a terrible name, as the actual feathered variety is a stunning looking thing.

jimothyc

735 posts

105 months

Thursday 15th January
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Saw one of these rotting under a tarpaulin at White Waltham airfield a few years ago and have been obsessed with them ever since. A very odd but very cool looking aeroplane.

aeropilot

39,300 posts

248 months

Thursday 15th January
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jimothyc said:
Saw one of these rotting under a tarpaulin at White Waltham airfield a few years ago and have been obsessed with them ever since. A very odd but very cool looking aeroplane.
White Waltham was Fairey Aviation's flight testing airfield, where all the Gannet's made their first flights from. They were built at Fairey Aviation's factory in Hayes, Middx, and then transported by road to White Waltham for flight testing etc., before delivery to the FAA.

Gannet AEW.3 XL500, after a number of years in storage at NAS Culdrose, was made airworthy again in the early 80's for use by Dowty-Rotol for propellor noise testing trials, and made a number of airshow appearances during the mid 80's, usually at RNAS open days, and I remember seeing it fly on several occasions.
It only flew for a couple of years, and when the testing trials were over it was returned to storage at NAS Lee-On-Solent, before ending up as a gate guardian back at Culdrose in the early 90's.
It was eventually sold in the early 2000's to Tim Manna at North Weald with a view to restoration to airworthy, but I don't believe any work was done on it before it was sold again to a new owner and went to Hunter Flying at Exeter for restoration to airworthy in the late 2000's, and moved with them to St.Athan about 10 years ago, but I think the project stalled some years ago, and nothing has been done on it for a while, for whatever reasons.

jimothyc

735 posts

105 months

Thursday 15th January
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It's sad that more hasn't been done to preserve these. I guess they're not pretty enough or have an interesting deployment history. But for me they are such a unique an interesting machine. Gas turbine powered, twin concentric counter rotating props and folding wings, along with some pretty odd looking proportions, there's really nothing else like it.

adamInca

231 posts

164 months

Thursday 15th January
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There is one at the Yorkshire Air Museum.


aeropilot

39,300 posts

248 months

Thursday 15th January
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adamInca said:
There is one at the Yorkshire Air Museum.

Yep, that's AEW.3 XL502 (G-BMYP) the other Gannet that was airworthy back in the late 80's and early 90's on the airshow circuit, owned/flown by Neil Moffet, and again, I saw that fly numerous times at shows back then.
Not sure when it was last flown, maybe 93/94? and it changed hands I think a few times, but I'm not sure whether it was flown into YAM sometimes in the 90's or whether it was transported there by road after its civil registration was cancelled.

andy97

4,780 posts

243 months

Thursday 15th January
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aeropilot said:
White Waltham was Fairey Aviation's flight testing airfield, where all the Gannet's made their first flights from. They were built at Fairey Aviation's factory in Hayes, Middx, and then transported by road to White Waltham for flight testing etc., before delivery to the FAA.

Gannet AEW.3 XL500, after a number of years in storage at NAS Culdrose, was made airworthy again in the early 80's for use by Dowty-Rotol for propellor noise testing trials, and made a number of airshow appearances during the mid 80's, usually at RNAS open days, and I remember seeing it fly on several occasions.
It only flew for a couple of years, and when the testing trials were over it was returned to storage at NAS Lee-On-Solent, before ending up as a gate guardian back at Culdrose in the early 90's.
It was eventually sold in the early 2000's to Tim Manna at North Weald with a view to restoration to airworthy, but I don't believe any work was done on it before it was sold again to a new owner and went to Hunter Flying at Exeter for restoration to airworthy in the late 2000's, and moved with them to St.Athan about 10 years ago, but I think the project stalled some years ago, and nothing has been done on it for a while, for whatever reasons.
I saw it fly at Yeovilton when I was based there about 1987/88 or was it at Culdrose in 1984?

aeropilot

39,300 posts

248 months

Thursday 15th January
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andy97 said:
aeropilot said:
White Waltham was Fairey Aviation's flight testing airfield, where all the Gannet's made their first flights from. They were built at Fairey Aviation's factory in Hayes, Middx, and then transported by road to White Waltham for flight testing etc., before delivery to the FAA.

Gannet AEW.3 XL500, after a number of years in storage at NAS Culdrose, was made airworthy again in the early 80's for use by Dowty-Rotol for propellor noise testing trials, and made a number of airshow appearances during the mid 80's, usually at RNAS open days, and I remember seeing it fly on several occasions.
It only flew for a couple of years, and when the testing trials were over it was returned to storage at NAS Lee-On-Solent, before ending up as a gate guardian back at Culdrose in the early 90's.
It was eventually sold in the early 2000's to Tim Manna at North Weald with a view to restoration to airworthy, but I don't believe any work was done on it before it was sold again to a new owner and went to Hunter Flying at Exeter for restoration to airworthy in the late 2000's, and moved with them to St.Athan about 10 years ago, but I think the project stalled some years ago, and nothing has been done on it for a while, for whatever reasons.
I saw it fly at Yeovilton when I was based there about 1987/88 or was it at Culdrose in 1984?
Culdrose in 84 most likely, which would have been XL500.
However, it might have been XL502 at Yeovilton in 87/88.?

Landlubber

84 posts

70 months

Thursday 15th January
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jimothyc said:
Saw one of these rotting under a tarpaulin at White Waltham airfield a few years ago and have been obsessed with them ever since. A very odd but very cool looking aeroplane.
There used to be an old Vampire there at one time.

lufbramatt

5,538 posts

155 months

Thursday 15th January
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I think I saw something/spoke to someone involved that said they had issues locating some specific tools they needed to service the propellers that stalled the project .

jimothyc

735 posts

105 months

Thursday 15th January
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Landlubber said:
jimothyc said:
Saw one of these rotting under a tarpaulin at White Waltham airfield a few years ago and have been obsessed with them ever since. A very odd but very cool looking aeroplane.
There used to be an old Vampire there at one time.
Ah it appears the one I saw was XA459 which has been rescued and restored and is now at the Solway Aviation Museum. More details here. https://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/gannet/su...

This is the state it was in when I saw it,



looks a lot better now.


hidetheelephants

33,025 posts

214 months

Thursday 15th January
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lufbramatt said:
I think I saw something/spoke to someone involved that said they had issues locating some specific tools they needed to service the propellers that stalled the project .
Must be pretty esoteric if it's not amenable to being replicated. No drawings available?

Eric Mc

124,626 posts

286 months

Friday 16th January
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There were two major variants of Gannet, the AS.4 and the AEW.3

There were a number of sub-variants of the AS.4, including a trainer version.

The fuselages of the AS.4 and AEW.3 were very different.






lufbramatt

5,538 posts

155 months

Friday 16th January
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And the wings are a different shape and the undercarriage is longer on the AEW :-)