Jet fuel shortage
Discussion
No love to the Iranian government what so ever. Oppressive bunch of wackos. But it looks like the orange man child has completely messed this up and gone all gung ho without a plan. It’s obvious it’s affecting the whole world. My question is jet fuel. I have seen multiple news outlets saying Europe have weeks left until jet fuel is out.
Meant to be taking the kids to Disney land Paris in August. I’m a really laid back and what will be will be type but it’s even playing on my mind a bit.
What’s everyone’s thoughts on jet fuel shortages. ?
Meant to be taking the kids to Disney land Paris in August. I’m a really laid back and what will be will be type but it’s even playing on my mind a bit.
What’s everyone’s thoughts on jet fuel shortages. ?
Long haul will probably be ok, the government will protect supplies to Heathrow and there’s potential for airlines to tanker in fuel by stopping to fill up elsewhere on the way in & way out. IIRC, there was an issue with the pipeline supplying Heathrow a few years ago & long haul flights were often stopping either at Shannon or somewhere on the continent after leaving.
The EU have regulations that are supposed to stop tankering but I’m sure they’ll be very rapidly rescinded once things get messy at Charles de Gaulle or Schipol.
For a demonstration of tankering in action, look at some of the cargo flights into the UK from the far east, often there will be a stop in Turkmenistan or somewhere that fuel is cheap.
The EU have regulations that are supposed to stop tankering but I’m sure they’ll be very rapidly rescinded once things get messy at Charles de Gaulle or Schipol.
For a demonstration of tankering in action, look at some of the cargo flights into the UK from the far east, often there will be a stop in Turkmenistan or somewhere that fuel is cheap.
alangla said:
Long haul will probably be ok, the government will protect supplies to Heathrow and there s potential for airlines to tanker in fuel by stopping to fill up elsewhere on the way in & way out. IIRC, there was an issue with the pipeline supplying Heathrow a few years ago & long haul flights were often stopping either at Shannon or somewhere on the continent after leaving.
The EU have regulations that are supposed to stop tankering but I m sure they ll be very rapidly rescinded once things get messy at Charles de Gaulle or Schipol.
For a demonstration of tankering in action, look at some of the cargo flights into the UK from the far east, often there will be a stop in Turkmenistan or somewhere that fuel is cheap.
Heathrow has more then one pipeline supplying it.The EU have regulations that are supposed to stop tankering but I m sure they ll be very rapidly rescinded once things get messy at Charles de Gaulle or Schipol.
For a demonstration of tankering in action, look at some of the cargo flights into the UK from the far east, often there will be a stop in Turkmenistan or somewhere that fuel is cheap.
normalbloke said:
Heathrow has more then one pipeline supplying it.
Ok, “a” pipeline rather than “the” pipeline. The supply issue I’m thinking of seems to have been around 2023. Here’s an article from the time https://avitrader.com/2023/08/01/iba-takes-closer-...Difference between now & then obviously is that then you’d have been able to fill up short haul aircraft at the other end of their journey, this time that might be tricky.
seabod91 said:
Meant to be taking the kids to Disney land Paris in August. I m a really laid back and what will be will be type but it s even playing on my mind a bit.
You could book a fully flexible Le Shuttle or ferry ticket as back up and drive over to DLP instead. Most diesels will make the return trip on one tank and if you have an EV, you can charge enroute. vikingaero said:
You could book a fully flexible Le Shuttle or ferry ticket as back up and drive over to DLP instead. Most diesels will make the return trip on one tank and if you have an EV, you can charge enroute.
We've flown and driven to Disney and the driving option is the best IMO. No shuttle buses from the airport that take ages, are expensive and one year unreliable. We drove from Cheshire, stopped on the way down overnight at Folkstone and had a nice day out (Hampton Court Palace) then stopped on the way home and did some sight seeing - this year it was Versailles and Canterbury.Simpo Two said:
Doesitdrive said:
Maybe Europe has handled things very badly without a plan for the future and hiccups?
Indeed, they are only good for having meetings and making rules, whilst leaving others to do the dirty work.
king everything up like this. Idiots. Steve vRS said:
vikingaero said:
You could book a fully flexible Le Shuttle or ferry ticket as back up and drive over to DLP instead. Most diesels will make the return trip on one tank and if you have an EV, you can charge enroute.
We've flown and driven to Disney and the driving option is the best IMO. No shuttle buses from the airport that take ages, are expensive and one year unreliable. We drove from Cheshire, stopped on the way down overnight at Folkstone and had a nice day out (Hampton Court Palace) then stopped on the way home and did some sight seeing - this year it was Versailles and Canterbury.Then with a flexi ticket you can either cancel or rebook for another time.
Ultimately the UK and Europe will be fine because we can afford to pay more than most of the rest of the world. We can outbid Asia, Africa and South America for available cargos to ensure it keeps coming here.
Whether airlines will want to pay the price, given how much of the ticket cost is fuel and those seats will have been already sold at lower prices, is another question, but for now plane ticket costs don't seem to have moved much.
Whether airlines will want to pay the price, given how much of the ticket cost is fuel and those seats will have been already sold at lower prices, is another question, but for now plane ticket costs don't seem to have moved much.
I fly alot and speaking to some friends in the industry mostly in the middle east they reckon most of the news is the usual scaremongering.
However I did have a little chuckle at the timing that a mate called me 3 weeks back as he was stuck doing a decommissioning of one of the jet fuel lines out of the plant that wat shutdown at Grangemouth.
However I did have a little chuckle at the timing that a mate called me 3 weeks back as he was stuck doing a decommissioning of one of the jet fuel lines out of the plant that wat shutdown at Grangemouth.
4.7AMV8 said:
Typical Daily Mail scare stories.
Not sure about this, I trade physical commodities and there is a general consensus that the paper market is not appreciating the effects on the physical market. We've lost 20% of world oil supply, made up by about 10% additional oil from the strategic reserve and other places. The ships are all out of place now and finishing their deliveries, and the ME infrastructure has been damaged by various strikes. Even if the Strait opens today (which apparently it has, tbc if ships are going to go through it), then there is some real physical disruption to supplies going to happen. At some point that 10% of "lost" oil has to show up as lower demand. The question is where.
Simpo Two said:
Or will there be more demand to build up reserves again?
No, I mean that 10% of supply has gone. It doesn't exist. 20% of supply from the ME has been replaced with 10% elsewhere, including reserves. The world cant avoid that missing 10%, no matter how much we pay for it. If world uses 10 barrels per day over 10 different customers, then only 9 barrles are supplied 1 day it doesnt matter how much you pay, someone has to miss out. Thats basically where we are.
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