Newsnight - Heathrow 3rd Runway Debate

Newsnight - Heathrow 3rd Runway Debate

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eharding

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14,530 posts

299 months

Monday 12th January 2009
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Debate showing now in Newsnight.

Personally, I'm on the undecided verging on negative point of view.

However, the gimp that Plane Stupid have put up makes me want to tarmac the whole area, and I'll put up the approach lights myself.

13th

3,169 posts

228 months

Monday 12th January 2009
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Most of the village I grew up in will be tarmaced including the old Saxon church and graveyard.

The runway will, as far as I understand, still leave my parents home in one piece albeit with a great view of the planes !

When my parents brought their house and chose to raise their family there Heathrow was a runway and a few sheds; never did they imagine in their dotage that they would be put in a position that they can't sell to go to a retirement home and neither will they get compensation for the huge lose of value to their home.

Still the runway has to be somewhere I suppose.

Edited as I have to remember my inheritance biggrin

Edited by 13th on Monday 12th January 23:11

rabw

9,015 posts

223 months

Monday 12th January 2009
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Missed it.

Why not build another runway? Schiphol seems to have 5.

Diderot

8,742 posts

207 months

Monday 12th January 2009
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Tosser of the first rank and evidently plain stupid.

IforB

9,840 posts

244 months

Monday 12th January 2009
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13th said:
Most of the village I grew up in will be tarmaced including the old Saxon church and graveyard.

The runway will, as far as I understand, still leave my parents home in one piece albeit with a great view of the planes !

When my parents brought their house and chose to raise their family there Heathrow was a runway and a few sheds; never did they imagine in their dotage that they would be put in a position that they can't sell to go to a retirement home and neither will they get compensation for the huge lose of value to their home.

Still the runway has to be somewhere I suppose.

Edited as I have to remember my inheritance biggrin

Edited by 13th on Monday 12th January 23:11
Why won't they got compensation? A huge sum has been built in to compensate local residents. Let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant though.

A 3rd runway is needed for many reasons, most of them financial.

When Heathrow was built it was miles away from anywhere, most "locals" moved in long after the airport was in heavy use, so frankly grumping and whinging about it is a bit silly. Don't like aircraft? Don't live near an airport.

As for "plane stupid".........Frankly napalm is the only answer to them. Hacan are just as daft as well.

13th

3,169 posts

228 months

Tuesday 13th January 2009
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IforB said:
When Heathrow was built it was miles away from anywhere, most "locals" moved in long after the airport was in heavy use, so frankly grumping and whinging about it is a bit silly. Don't like aircraft? Don't live near an airport.

As for "plane stupid".........Frankly napalm is the only answer to them. Hacan are just as daft as well.
My parents bought their home many many years ago when Heathrow was tiny but are now blighted by the new runway, they would sell happily, or offer any compensation to a prospective buyer but they can't as although the runway will be within spitting distance it doesn't actually take the house out.

Come walk in their shoes before you make comment!


IforB

9,840 posts

244 months

Tuesday 13th January 2009
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As an ex-Hounslow resident. I know what living next to an airport is like. If they can prove that the new runway will have a negative effect on their house price, then they should be entitled to compensation, there is a scheme specifically set up for folks like your parents.

Personally, I think Heathrow should be bulldozed and a new monster airport built in the Thames Estuary, with proper high speed road and rail links, but as that will never happen we've got to put up with expanding Heathrow.

Mobile Chicane

21,510 posts

227 months

Tuesday 13th January 2009
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13th said:
Most of the village I grew up in will be tarmaced including the old Saxon church and graveyard.

The runway will, as far as I understand, still leave my parents home in one piece albeit with a great view of the planes !

When my parents brought their house and chose to raise their family there Heathrow was a runway and a few sheds; never did they imagine in their dotage that they would be put in a position that they can't sell to go to a retirement home and neither will they get compensation for the huge lose of value to their home.

Still the runway has to be somewhere I suppose.

Edited as I have to remember my inheritance biggrin

Edited by 13th on Monday 12th January 23:11
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How old are you? Heathrow has been a major airport since the expansion of air travel in the 1960's.

I have no sympathy for anyone who bought property in the environs of Heathrow (and was therefore in a position to benefit from its economic expansion) who is now bleating about the impact on property values / loss of homes.

IforB

9,840 posts

244 months

Tuesday 13th January 2009
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House prices around Heathrow have always been lower because of the airport. People take advantage of it when they buy and then whinge like crazy when it comes time to sell.

AndyWoodall

2,649 posts

274 months

Tuesday 13th January 2009
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I watched it, and thought the child speaking on behalf of Plane Stupid didn't do the best of jobs.

Personally I'm utterly on the fence, on the one hand I see the economic and capacity requirements, and lets face it, as much as the green lobby would like to think it will, demand for space for those planes to go isn't going to drop off.

On the other, who wants an runaway plonked on top of their village.

I don't know, I'm just going to keep out of it, and as I don't live in Hounslow it doesn't effect me. My solution, lets do what the Japanese did and just add some more country! Adding enough for a new airport out on the coast somewhere would surely put all the Woolworths employees back into work at very least, and it would be a great engineering feat.

Edited by AndyWoodall on Tuesday 13th January 00:16

Gun

13,432 posts

233 months

Tuesday 13th January 2009
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I think airport expansion is needed but would it make more sense to expand one of the others like Stansted?

13th

3,169 posts

228 months

Tuesday 13th January 2009
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Mobile Chicaneb]How[/b said:
old are you? Heathrow has been a major airport since the expansion of air travel in the 1960's.

I have no sympathy for anyone who bought property in the environs of Heathrow (and was therefore in a position to benefit from its economic expansion) who is now bleating about the impact on property values / loss of homes.
Expert on Heathrow are you? I would be very interested to hear what infrastructure you know to have been present in 1960?

When my parents bought there they did not expect an international airport but accepted that times move on but to have their home yards from the next runway, I think they have a right to be a little miffed!

13th

3,169 posts

228 months

Tuesday 13th January 2009
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AndyWoodall said:
Hounslow
Hounslow; THEY ARE WIPING OUT OUT HOUNSLOW!

Wey hey; sorry Mummy and Daddy I'm all up for it now winkbiggrin

Alfa_75_Steve

7,489 posts

215 months

Tuesday 13th January 2009
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Did they buy before 1948?

Because here's a 1948 map, showing a rather large airport:


Ravell

1,181 posts

227 months

Tuesday 13th January 2009
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rabw said:
Schiphol seems to have 5.
Actually, Shiphol built another runway a few years ago, so it has 6 now! Taxiing from it to the terminal takes forever though!!



Edited by Ravell on Tuesday 13th January 00:37

Mobile Chicane

21,510 posts

227 months

Tuesday 13th January 2009
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13th said:
Mobile Chicaneb]How[/b said:
old are you? Heathrow has been a major airport since the expansion of air travel in the 1960's.

I have no sympathy for anyone who bought property in the environs of Heathrow (and was therefore in a position to benefit from its economic expansion) who is now bleating about the impact on property values / loss of homes.
Expert on Heathrow are you? I would be very interested to hear what infrastructure you know to have been present in 1960?

When my parents bought there they did not expect an international airport but accepted that times move on but to have their home yards from the next runway, I think they have a right to be a little miffed!
Well yes, I grew up in the area. It's horrible. Claims of 'quaint Anglo-Saxon villages' are blatant lies. Bring on Terminal 10 thumbup

williamp

19,819 posts

288 months

Tuesday 13th January 2009
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the first terminal opened in 1955. The second in 1968. A search on google images shows a quite advanced airpot in 1960. I know that noone can predict the future, but it might have sounded a few alarm bells?

gazza_3

6,419 posts

223 months

Tuesday 13th January 2009
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People who moan need to shut up and move out. Heathrow needs to be expanded or we will soon be loosing out to Charles De Guall (that's not quite right is it?) and Schipol.

13th

3,169 posts

228 months

Tuesday 13th January 2009
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Mobile Chicane said:
Claims of 'quaint Anglo-Saxon villages' are blatant lies. Bring on Terminal 10 thumbup
You have never been to Harmonsworth then?

Mobile Chicane

21,510 posts

227 months

Tuesday 13th January 2009
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13th said:
Mobile Chicane said:
Claims of 'quaint Anglo-Saxon villages' are blatant lies. Bring on Terminal 10 thumbup
You have never been to Harmonsworth then?
You mean home of the detention centre / refugee camp? I can't think there'll be many PHers arguing the place ought to remain...