Phantom 50th Anniversary

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Eric Mc

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Thursday 28th May 2009
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Yesterday was the 50th Anniversary of the first flight of the McDonnell XF4H-1 Phantom II prototype.
The aircraft is better known as the McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II

Bernie-the-bolt

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265 months

Thursday 28th May 2009
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Not sure which model this is, but what a lovely shape.


Eric Mc

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Thursday 28th May 2009
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Oops - it's actually 51 years, not 50.

Time for a lie down.

That Phantom (67-463) is an F-4E.

Edited by Eric Mc on Thursday 28th May 22:45

CobolMan

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Thursday 28th May 2009
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That looks like either a C or a D to me.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 28th May 2009
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Yep - it's a D.

(Why did I start this topic?)

eharding

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Thursday 28th May 2009
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If you haven't done so already, I suggest obtaining a copy of "Phantom Pilot" by Bob Prest, which gives an excellent insight into the life an RAF line squadron pilot in the seventies.

My sister's father-in-law was also an F4 driver at around the same time - it was a bit of a beast in many respects, and the technology that was absolutely bleeding edge in the fifties was still tempramental in the seventies - the bugs were never really ironed out.

My favourite story is about a high-pressure fitting in the cockpit next to the pilot's foot which had some form of turbine in it - it had an occasional habit of running away, making a god-awful noise, indicating that the crew had a few seconds of frantic switch fertling to do to shut the system down before it came apart and took the pilot's foot off. The solution to the problem was to put some armour around the offending bit of kit, to lessen the chances of foot removal.

Eric Mc

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Friday 29th May 2009
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I videoed the 1983 Sr Athan at Home Airshow off BBC (those were the days when the Beeb gave a toss a about aviation) and the commentator Raymond Baxter (who else?) called the Phantom a "heavy old hammer".

I always thought it was quite an apt description.

gopher

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Friday 29th May 2009
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It's always been a favourite of mine, I suspect this is partly because it was the first military jet I ever sat in (aged 5 or 6), a memory that is as strong today as ever. (My father sat me in the front seat and closed the canopy - I was very worried that it might take off!!)

But I also think that fully loaded up it looked a very menacing and purposeful machine more so than any other IMO.

Semi hemi

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213 months

Friday 29th May 2009
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Any excuse

I am sure that would make you eyes water

MartinD

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Friday 29th May 2009
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How about this one
RAF St Athen

Bernie-the-bolt

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Friday 29th May 2009
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MartinD said:
How about this one
RAF St Athen
Love it biggrin

That's flying!

Blib

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Saturday 30th May 2009
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Bernie-the-bolt

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Saturday 30th May 2009
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Blib said:
That's falling with style biggrin






Wow - bet the rear man had his eyes shut!

rhinochopig

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213 months

Saturday 30th May 2009
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We used to use the Phantom as an example of how not to design a cockpit. Truly awful bits of kit. Apparently they were awful to maintain as well.

The cockpits looked like the designers had thrown all the instruments in the air and where they landed they wired them in. I wish I could find the missile arming and firing sequence to post up - it's scary how convoluted it is.